Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:43 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/24/2015 1:23 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:36 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and if you add up enough of them you'd get the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi; but

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
You are justifying the hatred and aggressions by Islamists against the rest of us. This is a big mistake. One counter example of Islamist murders against Christian Filipinos, Buddhist Thais, Hindus in India and Kashmir, Islamist aggression in Ceylon, in Sudan, in Nigeria, etc. These nations

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2015, at 18:55, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2015 12:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you see the relationship between Gödel's second incompleteness theorem and the modal formula t - ~[] t? I don't see it, because I don't understand what t means. In a modal logic, you can read

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-25 Thread Kim Jones
On 26 Jan 2015, at 7:43 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I study the consequences of a common assumption, and assuming a universal person is natural in this context. Here is the big sell, then. You have to somehow demonstrate to the human race that we are a universal person.

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:02 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:35 PM *To:*

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
What you're describing sounds a little bit like cellular automata, which start with a single cell (maybe the existent entity called nothing?) and a rule and out of that comes emergent stuff possibly like our universe. But, anyways I once again agree with what you're saying that the emergent

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? You are justifying the hatred and aggressions by Islamists against

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2015, at 09:45, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:43 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/24/2015 1:23 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Friday,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2015, at 05:47, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: The starting question is this: are you OK with the idea that we would not see any difference from our first person point of view with an artificial digital brain (copying the brain at some level of description). Putting him

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2015, at 06:52, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some other computer. But, even if we are a simulation, the simulation that is us exists as does the computer and the code we're a simulation in. My

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Sun, Jan

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] What you're describing sounds a little bit like cellular automata, which start with a single cell (maybe the existent entity called nothing?) and a rule and out of that comes emergent stuff possibly like

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: The very simple operation of defining the square root of two generates an -- (as far as we know infinitely extending) – number stream that is characterized by a high degree of randomness.

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some other computer. And thus in arithmetic, which can be proved to emulate all computers, on all programs, on all input. This is standard knowledge for logicians, but not always well known by non-logicians. It is

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
John, I don't know if I agree. Evil, can mean anything from opposing abortion, to supporting abortion. How ought we define evil. A refined definition is clearer, so I go with my own definition based only on behavior. For me, its like a motorist going through a 25 mph zone, at 85 mph. Illegal,

Re: The power of forgiveness... manifested

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
There's all kinds of incongruencies in the world. I am always cautious about when progressives go for the Jew thing because, as it is policy at the BBC for decades, is weep over the poor Jews in the Holocaust, but kill them all, in Israel and the US, for daring to fight back and retaliate

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Malign: Evil in

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did felatio better on Adolf's winkie back then, as your buddy, Joe Stalin did. Not, old man Kennedy, not even Neville Chamberlain performed as well. And Stalin ended up paying for it, or rather his half-murdered nation did. How

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves,

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2015 3:02 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Here is the big sell, then. You have to somehow demonstrate to the human race that we are a universal person. Best of British, old son! The math alone maybe will convince another mathematician, but without your guiding values, they will fail to see the big

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into the correct hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to sympathize with the Paris bombers. They are only doing it because of the evil Americans! Not really. What I am trying to

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 5:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Insofar as they are expressed in words it seems that logical contradictions are beyond belief. I don't think so. If it's pleasant to believe in X and it's also pleasant to believe in Y I think it's possible for some people

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so much like extreme Christian

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Chris, forget Goebbels, think instead of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals (your team) and yes I know it well, My guess is you were trying for Alinsky's #4, which says' Ridicule is man's most potent weapon, there's no defense against it. But it didn't work upon me-so far, that is. So it must be

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2015, at 19:50, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2015 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In fact it is a benign move to bet that we are the same universal person (S4Grz(PA) or S4Grz(M))(*) with diverging experiences, like the W and M guy. Is it? Does that apply to all sentient beings? Is

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Not that it matters but Fox News is a solid US Chamber of Commerce network than a tea party network. Both political parties are owned by huge economic groups. The dems are owned by warren buffet, soros, tom steyer, the blackstone group, gates, etc. The reps are owned, by the US chamber of

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I kind of like the fascist clown for some reason, which is maybe because it reminds me of DC comics, the Joker? If I am a fascist, should I let the Jihadists kill us? Is this what gets me out of your typication? If so, its not worth it, and I'd say this for nearly, everyone. Being nice to

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2015, at 15:54, Rex Allen wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jan 2015, at 05:58, Rex Allen wrote: I think my main problem with platonism is that I don't see why a mathematical universe would generate beings who then develop

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2015 11:57 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: I pity those observers, and feel that no matter how many resources they brought to bear in trying to discover the meaning of this mysterious numeric communication coming through their inter-dimensional portal… that they would

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:08 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM *To:*

RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:35 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at