Re: 3 possible views of "consciousness"

2001-02-12 Thread hpm
"Jesse Mazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [re: rock is a good implementation of any computation] > It depends what you mean by "good implementation." The context of my > comment above was, *if* you believe there is a single true set of > psychophysical laws, are the laws likely to be defined in term

Re: A possible argument against branching universes.

2001-02-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear John: Below I have slightly rewritten my argument along the lines I had originally intended - the first effort was too rushed. The rewrite may answer your question. At 2/12/01, you wrote: >Hal, you wrote (among lots of other things): > > 2) But the other universe also has to stop given t

Re: Algorithmic TOEs vs Nonalgorithmic TOEs

2001-02-12 Thread hpm
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > This constructive notion of formal describability is less restrictive > than the traditional notion of computability, mainly because we do not > insist on the existence of a halting program that computes an upper > bound of the convergence time of p's n-th output bit. Formal

Re: A possible argument against branching universes.

2001-02-12 Thread jamikes
Hal, you wrote (among lots of other things): > 2) But the other universe also has to stop given the fixed FAS complexity > i.e. another new running contradiction. Can you discern - after the split - which is "the other"? (excuse me for this question for a situation which I do not condone at all).

Re: on formally describable universes and measures

2001-02-12 Thread juergen
> Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:15:47 -0800 > Subject: Re: on formally describable universes and measures > From: Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >No, I do not. I suggest you first define a formal framework for > >measuring delays etc. Then we can continue. > > You should have told me this at

"Consciousness" and anthropic reasoning

2001-02-12 Thread Jesse Mazer
"James Higgo" wrote: >Jesse, > >The point you picked up 'self-referential thought' is not relevant to the >discussion we were having. However, it is the most interesting thing in my >post. I think it's actually pretty relevant. What we're talking about is what Nick Bostrom calls "the problem o

Algorithmic TOEs vs Nonalgorithmic TOEs

2001-02-12 Thread juergen
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Algorithmic TOEs vs Nonalgorithmic TOEs > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:26:23 EST > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Nobody will ever be able to fully describe anything that is not > > computable in the limit by a general Turing Machine. > > I