Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear Juergen: In case what I tried to say was not clear the idea is that there are no more than 2^(N + c) shortest possible unique proofs in an N-bit FAS. How can number theory if it is a finite FAS contain an infinite number of unique theorems? Hal

Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear Jacques: At 4/12/01, you wrote: Maybe Hal, Russel and Jurgen should take this discussion to email and just let us know how it turns out, because I get enough junk mail already. I have run into those who do not like the side bar approach. I tend to agree that it cuts all the others

Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear Juergen: You demonstrate my point. At 4/12/01, you wrote: Hal, here is an infinite chain of provable unique theorems: 1+1=2, 2+1=3, 3+1=4, 4+1=5, ... First these are not theorems they are proof chains ending in theorems. For example: 4 + 1 = is a proof chain and the theorem proved is: 5

Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear Russell: Yes we did indeed have a similar debate some time ago. At that time I was still trying to express this point of view correctly and admittedly made a number of mistakes back then [and still do]. Our debate helped me considerably and I thank you. In response: I just posted a

Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear Russell: You wrote: Why bound the proof? It was not my idea. Chaitin equated complexity with a computing program's length and a proof chain is a computing program according to Turing. [rearranging your post] 1+1=2, 2+1=3, 3+1=4 ... are all distinct theorems. My view: Again as in my

Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Hal Ruhl
Dear Russell: At 4/13/01, you wrote: Bounded complexity does not imply bounded length. Examples include an infinite sting of '0's, and the string '1234...9101112...' That was part of the old debate and one of my initial mistakes. I am not now talking about the length of theorems but the

Re: Computing Randomness

2001-04-12 Thread Russell Standish
Hal Ruhl wrote: Dear Russell: At 4/13/01, you wrote: Bounded complexity does not imply bounded length. Examples include an infinite sting of '0's, and the string '1234...9101112...' That was part of the old debate and one of my initial mistakes. I am not now talking about the length