Re: Does provability matter?

2001-11-14 Thread Wei Dai

Thanks for clarifying the provability issue. I think I understand and
agree with you.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 12:05:22PM +0100, Juergen Schmidhuber wrote:
 What about exploitation? Once you suspect you found the PRG you can use
 it
 to predict the future. Unfortunately the prediction will take enormous
 time to stabilize, and you never can be sure it's finished.  
 So it's not very practical. 

By exploiting the fact that we're in an oracle universe I didn't mean
using TMs to predict the oracle outputs. That is certainly impractical.

There are a couple of things you could do though. One is to use some
oracle outputs to predict other oracle outputs when the relationship
between them is computable. The other, much more important, is to quickly
solve arbitrarily hard computational problem using the oracles.

 I prefer the additional resource assumptions reflected
 by the Speed Prior.  They make the oracle universes very unlikely, and
 yield computable predictions.

Why do you prefer the Speed Prior? Under the Speed Prior, oracle universes
are not just very unlikely, they have probability 0, right? Suppose one
day we actually find an oracle for the halting problem, or even just find
out that there is more computing power in our universe than is needed to
explain our intelligence. Would you then (1) give up the Speed Prior and
adopt a more dominant prior, or (2) would you say that you've encountered
an extremely unlikely event (i.e. more likely you're hallucinating)?

If you answer (1) then why not adopt the more dominant prior now?




RE: The infinite list of random numbers

2001-11-14 Thread Michael


Yes, but think how many Tom Clancy books it would write in the
mean-time. Also, think of all the mystery books with the last page
re-arranged to be the first, or all those many ones with typos.

-Original Message-
From: Norman Samish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 11 November 2001 05:32
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The infinite list of random numbers

Thanks to all who replied. Thanks to your instruction, it now is clear
to me that, in an infinite series of random characters, every
conceivable sequence MUST occur.  These sequences must, of course, obey
the requirement that all random characters in an infinite sequence must
appear an equal number of times.  This requirement rules out sequences
of only one character.

Therefore, in infinite time, the long-lived monkey at the durable
typewriter HAS to eventually write the works of Shakespeare, as well as
anything else conceivable.

More generally, everything that can happen MUST happen, not only once
but an infinite number of times.

Norm Samish