Re: "I" the mirror

2003-01-20 Thread James N Rose
The ancient Egyptians were the first to identify 'mirror' with first-person experience, some 5000 years ago. The word "ankh" means both 'life' and 'mirror' since full living-reality was what visually appears represented on the surface of 'mirrors'. Whether there was 'self-experience' there or not

RE: "I" the mirror

2003-01-20 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, Onar Aam wrote some nice essays on mirrors and awareness, a few years back. He had a quite elaborate theory. Unfortunately, his website seems not to be up anymore. However, if you e-mail him, he will probably send them to you. A year ago his e-mail was [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I'm not 100% s

"I" the mirror

2003-01-20 Thread Colin Hales
Dear Everythingers, This is a query placed as a result of failing to succeed to find answers when googling my way around the place for a very long time (2 years). I am about to conclude that a) no such discourse exists or b) that it is disguised in a form of physics/math that my searching has not

Re: Constraints on "everything existing"

2003-01-20 Thread James N Rose
Jean-Michel Veuillen wrote: > Then our universe did not exist before there were > intelligent observers in it, which is not true. > > I think that is better to say that all > self-consistent mathematical structures exist. > To restrict existence to universes containing > SASs (self-aware struc

Re: Constraints on "everything existing"

2003-01-20 Thread Jean-Michel Veuillen
At 08:40 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, Eric Hawthorne wrote: John M wrote: Eric: do I detect in your 'circumstances' some 'anthropocentric/metric/logic' restrictions? is the multiverse exclusively built according to the system we devised on this planet as 'our physical laws'? (your 'factor' #1, althou