RE: Goldilocks world
George Levy writes: Along the line of Jorge Luis Borges a blackboard covered in chalk contains the library of Babel (everything) but no information. Similarly a white board covered with ink also contains no information. Interestingly, information is minimized or actually goes to zero when the world is too large as the plenitude, or too small. Information is maximized when the world is neither too large nor too small. We live in a Goldilock world. Can we talk about knowledge or intelligence in a similar way? A rock is completely stupid and ignorant. A human has some knowledge and some intelligence (the Goldilocks case). God is said to be omniscient: infinitely knowlegeable, infinitely intelligent. Doesn't this mean that God is the equivalent of the blackboard covered in chalk, or the rock? Stathis Papaioannou _ Start something musical - 15 free ninemsn Music downloads! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=667referral=HotmailTaglineNovURL=http://www.ninemsn.com.au/startsomething
Re: Goldilocks world
Yes - I believe this is the logical problem with omniscient beings. On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 12:28:16PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: George Levy writes: Along the line of Jorge Luis Borges a blackboard covered in chalk contains the library of Babel (everything) but no information. Similarly a white board covered with ink also contains no information. Interestingly, information is minimized or actually goes to zero when the world is too large as the plenitude, or too small. Information is maximized when the world is neither too large nor too small. We live in a Goldilock world. Can we talk about knowledge or intelligence in a similar way? A rock is completely stupid and ignorant. A human has some knowledge and some intelligence (the Goldilocks case). God is said to be omniscient: infinitely knowlegeable, infinitely intelligent. Doesn't this mean that God is the equivalent of the blackboard covered in chalk, or the rock? Stathis Papaioannou _ Start something musical - 15 free ninemsn Music downloads! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=667referral=HotmailTaglineNovURL=http://www.ninemsn.com.au/startsomething -- *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which is of type application/pgp-signature. Don't worry, it is not a virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you may safely ignore this attachment. A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) Mathematics0425 253119 () UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australiahttp://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 pgpnxhaxrzcJU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Goldilocks world
That is the logical argument against omnipotence. IIRC, Aquinas knew of these arguments, and so I gather omnipotence and omniscience are not actually part of christian theological creed. Disclaimer: IANAC (I am not a christian) :) On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:57:41PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: can God in her omniscient, omnipotent wisdom create a rock that is so heavy even God herself cannot lift it? ;-) Kim Jones -- *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which is of type application/pgp-signature. Don't worry, it is not a virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you may safely ignore this attachment. A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) Mathematics0425 253119 () UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australiahttp://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 pgp78h0Y76lX5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Goldilocks world
Hi, IANAC too, but I think it is part of it. When I talk about the little paradoxe of the rock to some christians they only say that the paradoxe is only in the language, that it cannot express what god is, and that in fact there is no contradiction at all ;) Le Mardi 22 Novembre 2005 07:28, Russell Standish a écrit : That is the logical argument against omnipotence. IIRC, Aquinas knew of these arguments, and so I gather omnipotence and omniscience are not actually part of christian theological creed. Disclaimer: IANAC (I am not a christian) :) On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:57:41PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: can God in her omniscient, omnipotent wisdom create a rock that is so heavy even God herself cannot lift it? ;-) Kim Jones
Re: Goldilocks world
Wow! So only the Jews and the Muslims can officially rave on about G's Omnipotence etc. That it? and IANAC either :) Sorry - we're gittin off-topic here he he he Kim On 22/11/2005, at 5:28 PM, Russell Standish wrote: That is the logical argument against omnipotence. IIRC, Aquinas knew of these arguments, and so I gather omnipotence and omniscience are not actually part of christian theological creed. Disclaimer: IANAC (I am not a christian) :) On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:57:41PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: can God in her omniscient, omnipotent wisdom create a rock that is so heavy even God herself cannot lift it? ;-) Kim Jones -- *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which is of type application/pgp-signature. Don't worry, it is not a virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you may safely ignore this attachment. -- -- A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) Mathematics0425 253119 () UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australiahttp:// parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 -- --
stuff, appearance of stuff etc
With a total response of 2 (including me) (Thanks Russel!)... The results of my survey are overwhelmingly in favour of the status of QM as being that of appearances., although with an N of 2 I'd be a bit optimistic to get the P value down to anywhere near significance... oh well... Based on this finding I vote the lists change their name to: 'the appearance of Everything list' and 'the appearance of the Fabric of Reality list' :-) Cheers folks Colin Hales
