Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Well, I think I have a better understanding now of the ideas leading me to start this thread - thanks to Bruno, Quentin and the other contributors. Moreover, I am leaning towards fundamentally changing my views on the implementation problem: if computationalism

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: There is a very impoertant difference between computations do not require a physical basis and computations do not require any *particular* physical basis (ie computations can be physical implemented by a wide variety of systems) Yes, but any physical system can be seen

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Peter Jones writes: There is a very impoertant difference between computations do not require a physical basis and computations do not require any *particular* physical basis (ie computations can be physical implemented by a wide variety of systems) Yes, but

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Peter Jones writes: There is a very impoertant difference between computations do not require a physical basis and computations do not require any *particular* physical basis (ie computations can be physical implemented by a wide variety of systems) Yes,

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread 1Z
Brent Meeker wrote: d the computations are implemented anyway by virtue of their status as mathematical objects. Or by virtue of there being universes. Something, anyway. You don't get implementation for free. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-27 Thread Hal Finney
Saibal Mitra writes: From: Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] The real problem is not just that it is a philosophical speculation, it is that it does not lead to any testable physical predictions. The string theory landscape, even if finite, is far too large for systematic exploration. Our

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Well, I think I have a better understanding now of the ideas leading me to start this thread - thanks to Bruno, Quentin and the other contributors. Moreover, I am leaning towards fundamentally changing my views on the implementation problem: if computationalism is

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: Yes, but any physical system can be seen as implementing any computation with the appropriate rule mapping physical states to computational states. I think this is doubtful. For one thing there must be enough distinct states. It's all very well to imagine a

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes (quoting SP): There is a very impoertant difference between computations do not require a physical basis and computations do not require any *particular* physical basis (ie computations can be physical implemented by a wide variety of systems) Yes, but any

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread John M
Colin, the entire discussion is too much for me, I pick some remarks of yours and ask only about them. I am glad to see that others are also struggling to find better and more fitting words... (I search for better fitting concepts as well to be expressed by those better fitting wods). You

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-27 Thread Russell Standish
Thanks for giving a digested explanation of the argument. This paper was discussed briefly on A-Void a few weeks ago, but I must admit to not following the argument too well, nor RTFA. My comment on the observer moment issue, is that in a Multiverse, the measure of older observer moments is less

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-27 Thread Colin Hales
John M Colin, the entire discussion is too much for me, I pick some remarks of yours and ask only about them. I am glad to see that others are also struggling to find better and more fitting words... (I search for better fitting concepts as well to be expressed by those better fitting