Re: Emotions (was: Indeterminism

2006-07-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-juil.-06, à 03:21, David Nyman a écrit : Mmmmhh This sounds a little bit too much idealist for me. Numbers exist with some logic-mathematical priority, and then self-intimacy should emerge from many complex relations among numbers. Also, the many universes (both with comp and/or

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-28 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Peter Jones writes (quoting SP): There is a very impoertant difference between computations do not require a physical basis and computations do not require any *particular* physical basis (ie computations can be physical implemented by a wide

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-28 Thread John M
Please see after your remark/question at the end John - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Bruno's argument Le 28-juil.-06, à 02:52, John M a écrit : Then again is the 'as -

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-28 Thread John M
Thanks, Colin, I feel we also agree in your last sentence statement, however I could not decide whether abstraction is reductionist model forming or a generalization into wider horizons? Patterns - I feel - are IMO definitely reductive. that scale-game (40-50 orders of m. down) seems to me

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-28 Thread Hal Finney
Russell Standish writes, regarding http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0607227 : Thanks for giving a digested explanation of the argument. This paper was discussed briefly on A-Void a few weeks ago, but I must admit to not following the argument too well, nor RTFA. My comment on the observer

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-28 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
Thanks, Colin, I feel we also agree in your last sentence statement, however I could not decide whether abstraction is reductionist model forming or a generalization into wider horizons? Patterns - I feel - are IMO definitely reductive. Abstraction I would characterise as a mapping into a

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes (quoting SP): The constraints (a) and (b) you mention are ad hoc and an unnecessary complication. Suppose Klingon computers change their internal code every clock cycle according to the well-documented radioactive decay pattern of a sacred stone 2000 years ago. If