RE: Russell's book

2006-09-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou

Periklis Akritidis writes:

 Why would you care about the opinion of those observers left forever
 behind...
 
  from the possibility that all this MWI stuff is just wrong, of course). 
  Even in my scheme where
  there is just a possibility of death some calculations I have done suggest 
  that if you could
  demonstrate that your success rate after many bets was better than chance 
  to a statistically
  significant extent, your chance of dying would also have to be 
  statistically significant. It's
  as if the multiverse is conspiring against us to prevent us from proving 
  its existence!
 
 No, it should be easy to make yourself experience a universe in which
 you have convinced others using the ability to solve any number of very
 difficult problems in case the machine worked, or just by being 2000
 years old. But after you do manage to convince everybody, you would
 shortly find yourself in a very lonely universe, so I guess that even
 if you could prove QTI it would be in your best interest to keep it a
 secret.

QTI predicts that you will survive from a 1st person POV only. If there  is a 
2000 y.o. man in the 
world discovered today that would therefore not be evidence for the theory: it 
is no more likely 
to happen if QTI is true than if it is false, from a 3rd person POV.

There is one situation in which you could prove it to other people, by linking 
them to your own 
fate so that they see things from a similar 1st person POV. This is likely to 
happen practically if 
QTI is true even if you don't deliberately set it up that way. Your survival to 
extreme old ageis much 
more likely to happen because an anti-ageing technology mind uploading, for 
example, are discovered 
in your lifeltime than as a result of some biological fluke. Perhaps you are 
already reaping the benefits 
of this effect, as life expectancies are greater now than they used to be in 
previous centuries. 
Perhaps the entire history of the universe, with evolution of life on Earth, 
culminating in your birth, is 
just an incredibly unlikely coincidence selected out by your consciousness so 
that you can continue 
living. QTI can thus be seen as a restatement of the Anthropic Principle.

Stathis Papaioannou
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Re: Russell's book

2006-09-17 Thread Brent Meeker

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
 Periklis Akritidis writes:
 
 
Why would you care about the opinion of those observers left forever
behind...


from the possibility that all this MWI stuff is just wrong, of course). Even 
in my scheme where
there is just a possibility of death some calculations I have done suggest 
that if you could
demonstrate that your success rate after many bets was better than chance to 
a statistically
significant extent, your chance of dying would also have to be statistically 
significant. It's
as if the multiverse is conspiring against us to prevent us from proving its 
existence!

No, it should be easy to make yourself experience a universe in which
you have convinced others using the ability to solve any number of very
difficult problems in case the machine worked, or just by being 2000
years old. But after you do manage to convince everybody, you would
shortly find yourself in a very lonely universe, so I guess that even
if you could prove QTI it would be in your best interest to keep it a
secret.
 
 
 QTI predicts that you will survive from a 1st person POV only. If there  is a 
 2000 y.o. man in the 
 world discovered today that would therefore not be evidence for the theory: 
 it is no more likely 
 to happen if QTI is true than if it is false, from a 3rd person POV.
 
 There is one situation in which you could prove it to other people, by 
 linking them to your own 
 fate so that they see things from a similar 1st person POV. This is likely to 
 happen practically if 
 QTI is true even if you don't deliberately set it up that way. Your survival 
 to extreme old ageis much 
 more likely to happen because an anti-ageing technology mind uploading, for 
 example, are discovered 
 in your lifeltime than as a result of some biological fluke. 

Isn't it even more likely to be due to their discovery in previous generations. 
 Is 
there an AP explanation for why we don't see very old people now.

Perhaps you are already reaping the benefits 
 of this effect, as life expectancies are greater now than they used to be in 
 previous centuries. 

Not really.  Medicine, sanitation, and security have greatly increased life 
expectancy at birth, but they haven't done very much for extending the maximum 
age. 
In the meantime a lot of people have (apparently) died.

 Perhaps the entire history of the universe, with evolution of life on Earth, 
 culminating in your birth, is 
 just an incredibly unlikely coincidence selected out by your consciousness so 
 that you can continue 
 living. QTI can thus be seen as a restatement of the Anthropic Principle.

Brent Meeker
What doesn't kill me only postpones the inevitable.
--- Nietzsche's older brother

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