Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-21 Thread David Nyman
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: This paradoxical situation I have analysed out and, I hope, straightened out. The answer lies not in adopting/rejecting solipsism per se (although solipsism is logically untenable for subtle reasons) , but in merely recognising what scientific evidence is actually

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:36:00AM -, David Nyman wrote: I think we will never be able to engage with the issues you describe until we realise that what we are faced with is a view from the inside of a situation that has no outside. Our characterisation of 'what exists' as 'outside' of

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-21 Thread jamikes
And another quote: A solopist is like the man who gave up turning around because whatever he saw was always in front of him. --- Ernst Mach John M PS: but it is so entertaining to chat about it! JM - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
About solipsism I think it is useful to distinguish: - the (ridiculous) *doctrine* of solipsism. It says that I exist and you don't. - the quasi trivial fact that any pure first person view is solipsistic. This makes the doctrine of solipsism non refutable, and thus non scientific in Popper

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-21 Thread David Nyman
Russell Standish wrote: It makes absolute sense to me, and it is really one of the central themes of my book Theory of Nothing. The only points of view are interior ones, because what is external is just nothing. But I know that Colin comes from a different ontological bias, since we had a

Re: Solipsism unplugged

2006-09-21 Thread 1Z
George Levy wrote: The scientist could prove that he is not alone by invoking the principle of sufficient reason: nothing is arbitrary and exist with no reason. If something exists in a particular arbitrary way (himself) with no reason for him to be in that particular way, then all other

Re: Solipsism unplugged

2006-09-21 Thread 1Z
George Levy wrote: The scientist could prove that he is not alone by invoking the principle of sufficient reason: nothing is arbitrary and exist with no reason. If something exists in a particular arbitrary way (himself) with no reason for him to be in that particular way, then all other

Re: The Mathematico-Cognition Reality Theory (MCRT) Ver 6.0

2006-09-21 Thread David Nyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa dude. That is some heavy-duty 'reality theory' speak ;) Yes indeedy. But my point is that qualia are an ontological category, not an epistemological one. This is crucial, because it entails that we can't *know* qualia, we can only instantiate them - *be* them.