Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-02-17 Thread Hal Ruhl

Hi Bruno:

In response I will start with some assumptions central to my approach.

The first has to do with the process of making a list.

The assumption is:

Making a list of items [which could be some of 
the elements of a set for example] is always a 
process of making a one to one mapping of the 
items to some of the counting numbers such as:

1 - an item
2 - an item not previously on the list
3 - an item not previously on the list
.
.
.
n - last item and it was not previously on the list

My second assumption is:

Objects [such as states of universes for example] have properties.

My third assumption is:

All of the properties it is possible for objects to have can be listed.

My fourth assumption is:

The list of possible properties of objects is countably infinite.

Conclusions so far:
[All possible objects are defined by all the sub lists of the full list.]
[The number of objects is uncountably infinite]

I will stop there for now and await comments.

As to the remainder of the post:

In the above I have not reached the point of 
deriving the dynamic of my model but I am not 
focusing on computations when I say that any 
succession of states is allowed.  Logically 
related successions are allowed.  Successions 
displaying any degree of randomness are also allowed.

I would like to finish the walk through of my 
model before discussing white rabbits and observation.

Yours

Hal Ruhl

At 09:49 AM 2/12/2007, you wrote:

Hi Hal,


Le 12-févr.-07, à 03:37, Hal Ruhl a écrit :

 
  Hi Bruno:
 
  I was using some of the main components of my
  model to indicate that it allows white rabbits of
  all degree.  Any succession of states is
  allowed.  If the presence of SAS in certain
  successions requires a certain family of white
  rabbit distributions then these distributions are present.


Well, thanks for the white rabbit, but the current goal consists in
explaining why we don't see them. When you say any succession of states
is allowed, are you talking about computations? In computations the
states are logically related, and not all succession of states can be
allowed, or you talk about something else, but then what exactly?
What are your assumption, and what are your conclusion? I know you have
made an effort in clarity, but in your last definitions you adopt the
axiomatic way of talking, but not the axiomatic way of reasoning. This
makes your talk neither informally convincing (granted some sharable
intuition) nor formally clear. I have always been willing to attribute
to you some intuition, I continue doing so, and I have suggested to you
some books capable of providing helps toward much clarity, which is
what is needed to communicate to others, especially when working on
extremely  hard subject like what we are discussing.
I hope that Jason, who kindly proposes some act of systematization,
will be able to help you to develop your probably interesting ideas,

Regards,

Bruno



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Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-02-17 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi John:

This is what brought me to the idea that while 
all objects have simultaneous existence they 
also can have degrees of hyper existence. Hyper 
existence is like a tag that indicates states 
that are, those that are becoming, and those 
that have recently been [so to speak].

Hal Ruhl




At 04:26 PM 2/15/2007, you wrote:
Hal:
you seem to have mastered the problem I got 
stuck with in the 'timelessness' speculation
(Any succession of states is allowed. )
  I could not handle successions in reverse, if 
 time (as an indicator of succession) is cut out.
I did not want to resort to an atemporal system 
where ALL steps of processes (what is a process???) live side by side together.

John M
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Hi Bruno:

I was using some of the main components of my
model to indicate that it allows white rabbits of
all degree.  Any succession of states is
allowed.  If the presence of SAS in certain
successions requires a certain family of white
rabbit distributions then these distributions are present.

Hal Ruhl

At 04:23 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:


 Le 07-févr.-07, à 02:45, Hal Ruhl a écrit :
 
Given an uncountably infinite number of objects generated from a
   countably infinite list of properties and an uncountably infinite
   number of UD's in the metaphor I can not see an issue with this re my
   model.  As I said above Our World can be as precisely as random as
   it needs to be.
 
 
 I don't understand.
 
 Bruno
 
 
 
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