Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 03:47:19PM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: > > Hi, > > RUSSEL > > All I can say is that I don't understand your distinction. You have > introduced a new term "necessary primitive" - what on earth is that? But > I'll let this pass, it probably isn't important. > > COLIN > Oh no

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-17 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: > Dear Brent, > If you had the most extravagent MRI machine in history, which trapped > complete maps of all electrons, neuclei and any photons and then plotted > them out - you would have a 100% complete, scientifically acquired > publishable description and in that description

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-17 Thread Colin Hales
Dear Brent, If you had the most extravagent MRI machine in history, which trapped complete maps of all electrons, neuclei and any photons and then plotted them out - you would have a 100% complete, scientifically acquired publishable description and in that description would be absolutely no predi

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-17 Thread David Nyman
On Jun 17, 2:33 am, Russell Standish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're obviously suggesting single neurons have qualia. Forgive me for > being a little sceptical of this suggestion... Russell, this is daft! Surely the argument is getting completely lost in the terminology here. What on earth

Re: Asifism

2007-06-17 Thread Mark Peaty
Yes that is the issue and I don't think I read all the postings on that thread at the time. SP [Feb 21]: 'It is a complicated issue' MP: Yep! SP: 'So how do I know I'm not that special kind of zombie or partial zombie now? I feel absolutely sure that I am not but then I would think that, would

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-17 Thread David Nyman
On Jun 17, 6:47 am, Colin Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Magical emergence is when but claim Y exists but you can't > identify an X. Such as: > > Take away the X: No qualia > > but thenyou claim qualia result from 'information complexity' or > 'computation' or 'function' and you fail to s