Here's to Eternity

2007-08-20 Thread marc . geddes
We are all playing the game of 'Eternity' ;) I have uploaded to the list my final version of the top-level 'solution' to the puzzle of eternity. (Revised yet again but this one is the very last - promise). The page is my domain model for all reality at the highest possible level of

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 19, 11:17 pm, Giu1i0 Pri5c0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc welcome back! I had not seen you here for months. No. That's because after the terrible insults levelled at me by some... Surely not on this list! -- Stathis

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 20, 9:26 pm, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 19, 11:17 pm, Giu1i0 Pri5c0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc welcome back! I had not seen you here for months. No. That's because after the terrible insults

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now consider sentient agent motivations (and remember the analogy with the physics argument I gave above). *Consider an agent with a set of motivations A *Consider the transition of that agent to a different set of motivations B (ie

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 19-août-07, à 08:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Aug 19, 12:26 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This all makes sense if you are referring to the values of a particular entity. Objectively, the entity has certain values and we can use empirical means to determine

Re: [SPAM] Re: Major revision to my Top-Level Ontology

2007-08-20 Thread Mark Peaty
I searched in vain for http://marc.geddes.googlepages.com/MCRT_ClassDiagram.html The page you have requested could not be found. (404) As an explanation of the meaning of eternal truth etcetera, this to me seems redolent of Douglas [of blessed memory] Adams' God's last words to His/Her

Re: Major revision to my Top-Level Ontology

2007-08-20 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 21, 3:10 am, Mark Peaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I searched in vain forhttp://marc.geddes.googlepages.com/MCRT_ClassDiagram.html The page you have requested could not be found. (404) As an explanation of the meaning of eternal truth etcetera, this to me seems redolent of Douglas

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 20, 10:01 pm, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to 'Abstract Universals' - Platonic Ideals that all observers with complete information would agree with. Even in the restricted arithmetical Platonia, no observer can have

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 20, 9:45 pm, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now consider sentient agent motivations (and remember the analogy with the physics argument I gave above). *Consider an agent with a set of motivations A

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-20 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 20, 10:01 pm, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 19-août-07, à 08:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : But apparently, like Chalmers, you seem to dismiss even the possibility of comp. OK? Sorry, I meant to say in previous post that my version property is NOT quite the same as