Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-15 Thread Brent Meeker

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

2010/1/15 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com:

  

Or why not suppose you are your body (including your genes).  Then evolution
would be able to have had the imputed effect on you that you suppose it
does.



The actual effect of any adaptive behaviour must be through the genes,
but evolution could not work directly on a belief about genes. Our
psychology may act against our genes if we are taken out of the
environment in which we evolved; for example the number of children
people choose to have in the modern world is inversely proportional to
the resources they control.


  
I guess I should be more explicit.  I found your post bemusingly 
inconsistent.  You theorized that the continuity of your experience was 
an illusion produced by evolution and you really exist as a sequence 
of discrete OMs.  But evolution is a process that acts on genes and in 
order to have any effect on the real you requires continuity, not only 
of your body moment-by-moment and day-by-day but of your genes over 
millenia.  So it strikes me as very strange to invoke it as creating an 
*illusion* of continuity.  Sort of like the Sun producing an illusion of 
daylight.


Brent
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Re: Everything List Survey

2010-01-15 Thread Torgny Tholerus

Stathis Papaioannou skrev:

2010/1/14 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com:

  

Interesting so far:
- people are about evenly divided on the question of whether computers
can be conscious
- no-one really knows what to make of OM's
- more people believe cats are conscious than dogs



Oh, and one person does not believe that they are conscious! Come on,
who's the zombie?


  


It's me.

(The question on whether computers can be conscious, should have three 
alternatives:


1)  Both computers and humans can be conscious.
2)  Humans, but not computers can be conscious.
3)  Neither humans nor computers can be conscious.

(The alternative: Computers, but not humans can be conscious, is not 
needed...))


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