Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Aug 2011, at 20:38, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2011, at 19:31, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: The notion of a TOE usually is used in a reductionist sense, as a theory that can be used to predict everything. A TOE should do that, in principle at

Re: Why quasi-classicality?

2011-08-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Aug 2011, at 02:40, meekerdb wrote: The Born rule and testable predictions. As Omnes says, Quantum mechanics is a probabilistic theory, so naturally it predicts probabilities. See for example: arXiv:0905.0624v2 ,0808.2415v1 , 0810.2657v1 and 0312058v3. Of course you may

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Aug 2011, at 01:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: That is my point exactly: inter-subjective agreement is as close to objectivity that we can get. Of course this is debatable. I would say that elementary arithmetic is objective per se. But physical realities can indeed be shown, or argued

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 5, 1:00 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Aug 2011, at 01:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: That is my point exactly: inter-subjective agreement is as close to objectivity that we can get. Of course this is debatable. I would say that elementary arithmetic is   objective per

RE: Simulated Brains

2011-08-05 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Mazer Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 3:26 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Simulated Brains On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:14 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: Why quasi-classicality?

2011-08-05 Thread meekerdb
On 8/5/2011 9:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Aug 2011, at 02:40, meekerdb wrote: The Born rule and testable predictions. As Omnes says, Quantum mechanics is a probabilistic theory, so naturally it predicts probabilities. See for example: arXiv:0905.0624v2 ,0808.2415v1 ,

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-05 Thread meekerdb
On 8/2/2011 10:52 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: The very act of first person-ness (1^st person frame) in X might be performing the same function ... removing the decoherence apparent to an external observer of X, while remaining decohered in the frame of reference of the 3^rd person

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-05 Thread meekerdb
On 8/5/2011 9:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Comp already shows that it take the form of an uncertainty calculus on computations. From comp it is easy to derive indeterminacy/uncertainty, non locality, non clonability of the apparent primitive matter. From comp + the classical theory of