Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.08.2011 00:38 meekerdb said the following: On 8/19/2011 11:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: It seems that at present there is only one candidate for a zombie - Dennet, who defending his theory seems to refuse his own consciousness (I do not remember now where I have seen this nice statement,

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread meekerdb
On 8/20/2011 12:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.08.2011 00:38 meekerdb said the following: On 8/19/2011 11:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: It seems that at present there is only one candidate for a zombie - Dennet, who defending his theory seems to refuse his own consciousness (I do not

Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Trying to remember where I have seen the statement about Dennett, I have made search on Google. Two findings (both are not my source though): 1) Is Daniel Dennett a zombie? Discussion on ephilosopher.com where the question, I believe is close to the statement that I have seen. This is not

Re: Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 20, 8:02 am, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Now, Dennett would be the first to say that it just 'seems' to me that I have a phenomenology but that is the point isn't it? If it seems to me then I have it. How can anyone think otherwise?? Exactly. The fact that we feel is not

IBM produces first 'brain chips'

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14574747 Looks like we may be finding out sooner rather than later whether there is more to the psyche than networking logic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:49, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Aug 2011, at 20:13, benjayk wrote: It depends on what we mean with primitive ontological entity. What we assume to exist (or to make sense) explicitly when we build a theory. You could define this as primitive

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2011, at 20:18, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.08.2011 16:24 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Aug 2011, at 20:07, meekerdb wrote: On 8/17/2011 10:36 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.08.2011 20:47 meekerdb said the following: On 8/16/2011 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Yes,

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Aug 2011, at 04:24, meekerdb wrote: On 8/19/2011 6:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Perhaps later. See a bit below. Bp is meant for the machine believes p when written in the language of the machine. If the machine is a theorem prover for arithmetic, Bp is an abbreviation for

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread meekerdb
On 8/20/2011 4:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 19, 10:26 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/19/2011 6:22 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The retina doesn't act on the world in response to light? It doesn't send a signal to the brain in the same manner that changes in a

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-20 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:49, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Aug 2011, at 20:13, benjayk wrote: It depends on what we mean with primitive ontological entity. What we assume to exist (or to make sense) explicitly when we build a theory. You could

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
PART I On Aug 20, 12:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 03:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 18, 9:43 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Aug 2011, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: Not sure I understand. Do I hope for this world and therefore it

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 20, 3:05 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2011 4:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: No they don't.  The thermostat that's connected to the furnace can modify it's world, who's only attribute is temperature.  If it's not connected to a furnace then it can sense temperature,

Re: Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread meekerdb
On 8/20/2011 6:10 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 20, 8:02 am, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Now, Dennett would be the first to say that it just 'seems' to me that I have a phenomenology but that is the point isn't it? If it seems to me then I have it. How can anyone think