ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal
I think we should only use the word exists only when we are
referring to physical existence.
BRUNO: Hmm That might aggravate the naturalist or materialist human
penchant.
ROGER: Why ? Naturalist and materialist entities are extended and so physically
exist.
Hi Alberto G. Corona
If we can define what we are talking about, most of our problems
will be solved.
That is why I believe we ought to use the Descartes-Leibniz definition
of physical existence as that which is in spacetime (is extended).
Thus the brain exists.
Nonphysical existence
Hi Craig Weinberg
I would classify your items as follows:
MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, delusions,
information, mathematics, logic, time,
space, feelings, thoughts, ideas, numbers, life itself, God, monads,
mathematics, physical laws themselves,
theory of any
Hi Craig Weinberg
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/22/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-09-21, 10:58:11
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Hi Craig Weinberg
How does ideal spacetime differ from what physicists refer to as spacetime.
Real spacetime can be integrated over dxdydzdt.
Anyway, even a physical vacuum can contain things such as radio waves,
light, intelligence, Platonia, etc.
There is no such thing as nothing, IMHO.
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK that's the classic example of the pin prick and feeling pain.
It works for the worlds of apples and oranges if you accept
Hume's and Leibniz's theory of causation, or at least my understanding of it,
namely that changes in the mental world are simply synchronized
with
On 22.09.2012 11:48 Roger Clough said the following:
Hi Craig Weinberg
I would classify your items as follows:
MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, delusions,
information, mathematics, logic, time, space, feelings, thoughts,
ideas, numbers, life itself, God, monads,
Hi Rex Allen
How could mathematics be fiction ?
If so, then we could simply say that 2+2=5 because it's saturday.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/22/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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From: Rex Allen
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:47:15 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:25:48 PM UTC-4,
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
Following Leibniz and Kant, what we see in the case of the table is a
well-grounded phenomenon. That is, we do not see the table
itself, but as it appears to our senses. But the table is not
an illusion, it really is there, and we can place a pitchure of
milk on it with
Hi Terren Suydam
I don't see that mathematics and fiction have anything in common.
With fiction, anything can happen.
A would of could be, or should be.
With mathematics you've got that nasty equals sign.
A world of is.
Hume pointed out that there's no way to get from is
to ought or
Hi meekerdb
Mathematical objects such as proofs ansd new theorems are found by intuition.
Penrose suggests that intuition is a peep into Platonia.
So these come from Platonia.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/22/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On 21 Sep 2012, at 19:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/21/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 20:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/20/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/20/2012 2:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A modal logic of probability
On 21 Sep 2012, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.09.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile system happens
as by-product of its development by engineers?
To me, it seems that meaning that you
On 21 Sep 2012, at 22:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Post from my blog:
Simple as that, really. From psychological discoveries of the
subconscious and unconscious, to cognitive bias and logical
fallacies, to quasi-religious faith in artificial intelligence, we
seem to have a mental blind
On 22.09.2012 14:09 Roger Clough said the following:
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
Following Leibniz and Kant, what we see in the case of the table is
a well-grounded phenomenon. That is, we do not see the table
itself, but as it appears to our senses. But the table is not an
illusion, it really is there,
On 22.09.2012 14:58 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 21 Sep 2012, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.09.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile system
happens as by-product of its
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:49:49 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
I would classify your items as follows:
MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, delusions,
information, mathematics, logic, time,
space, feelings, thoughts, ideas, numbers, life
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:10:30 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Sep 2012, at 22:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Post from my blog:
Simple as that, really. From psychological discoveries of the subconscious
and unconscious, to cognitive bias and logical fallacies, to
On 22 Sep 2012, at 17:08, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:10:30 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Sep 2012, at 22:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Post from my blog:
Simple as that, really. From psychological discoveries of the
subconscious and unconscious, to
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
If anyone is not familiar with David Chalmers Absent Qualia, Fading
Qualia, Dancing Qualia You should have a look at
ithttp://consc.net/papers/qualia.htmlfirst.
I confess I have not read it because I have little
On 9/22/2012 5:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal
I think we should only use the word exists only when we are
referring to physical existence.
Dear Roger,
I think the exact opposite. We should NEVER use the word exists in
reference to what is merely the subject of human
On 9/22/2012 5:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
If we can define what we are talking about, most of our problems
will be solved.
That is why I believe we ought to use the Descartes-Leibniz definition
of physical existence as that which is in spacetime (is extended).
Thus the
On 22 Sep 2012, at 11:25, Roger Clough wrote:
ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal
I think we should only use the word exists only when we are
referring to physical existence.
BRUNO: Hmm That might aggravate the naturalist or materialist
human penchant.
ROGER: Why ? Naturalist and materialist
Dear Stephen and Bruno:
*(BRUNO: Hmm... Then numbers lives, but with comp, only universal or Lobian
numbers can be said reasonably enough to be living.
You might go to far. Even in Plato, the No? content (all the ideas) is
richer that its living part. I doubt Plato would have said that a circle is
On 9/22/2012 6:11 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK that's the classic example of the pin prick and feeling pain.
It works for the worlds of apples and oranges if you accept
Hume's and Leibniz's theory of causation, or at least my understanding of it,
namely that changes in the
On 9/22/2012 7:32 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
How could mathematics be fiction ?
If so, then we could simply say that 2+2=5 because it's saturday.
How could we have a world we many minds can, on rare occasions, come to
complete agreement if that where the case? Perhaps it is true that 2+2=4
On 9/22/2012 6:29 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 22.09.2012 14:58 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 21 Sep 2012, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.09.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile
On 9/22/2012 10:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
If anyone is not familiar with David Chalmers Absent Qualia, Fading
Qualia,
Dancing Qualia You should have a look at it
On 9/22/2012 3:52 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Stephen and Bruno:
/*(BRUNO: Hmm... Then numbers lives, but with comp, only universal or
Lobian numbers can be said reasonably enough to be living.
You might go to far. Even in Plato, the No? content (all the ideas) is
richer that its living part. I
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