On 07 Nov 2012, at 21:07, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/7/2012 10:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:48, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/5/2012 1:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
[SPK] You are considering only one entity.
This is incorrect. For example the first person plural is
On 08 Nov 2012, at 01:38, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/7/2012 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 17:13, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/7/2012 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Arithmetic explains why they are observers and how and why they
make theories.
Dear Bruno,
This is a
On 08 Nov 2012, at 01:42, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/7/2012 12:46 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 17:16, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/7/2012 9:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:05, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/6/2012 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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Hi Bruno Marchal
My principal interest over the years has been to
come up with some self-sustaining self-generating
method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching
fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and
metaphors.
When I look up methods of data mining, all
Hi meekerdb,
Leibniz's monads each contain all of the other possible
view or observation points in the universe, meaning
that all one person can see is the phenomenol world--
the world from one viewpoint. Only the supreme monad or
the One can see all clearly as one, which of course
is beyond us.
Hi Stephen,
From Leibniz, our individual perceptions are both wideband
(seeing all, from all angles, at least locally) but also somehow
unified and focused to a single point of observation.
I believe that the unification and focussing must be done by the
supreme monad, which is at a higher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_Drafts_Model
Daniel Dennett's multiple drafts model of consciousness is a physicalist
theory of consciousness
based upon cognitivism, which views the mind in terms of information
processing. The theory is
described in depth in his book, Consciousness
Hi Craig Weinberg
That was only a clue, not an explanation.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Hal Ruhl
Since life in the form of photosynthesis creates
order in the form of cell structure out of a
random (entropic) environment, life seems to
reverse time's arrow, and hence slow down the heat death
of the universe.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long
Hi Russell Standish
Yes, the orchestra with the supreme monad as
composer/conductor playing a pleasing orchestra
composition (not 12-tone !) that he dug up out of his
a priori files works fine.
I think Leibniz's harmony is the traditional one:
har穖o穘y
[hahr-muh-nee]
noun, plural
Hi Hal,
Just look at the metaphors you use to see that your idea below is wrong.
You say that life hastens death.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
Time and space don't exist as substances so
they don't influence the monads, which as you say
are eternal. Further, there is no substance space.
So the monads are not organized in any way.
The monads can be thought of as a collection
of an infinite number of mathematical
Hi Stephen P. King
The prime numbers were somehow calculated without
access to the physical world. Euclids' geometry as well,
the natural numbers, etc.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
Libertarians aren't weird.
They're essentially conservatives without a military.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
Who are these entities and how can they exist
a priori as does 2+2=4 ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
You don't need to throw anything.
Parabolas are completely described mathematically.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
There are no accidents in Platonia.
There are also perfect parabolas, because
Platonia is the realm of necessary logic,
of pure reason and math, which are inextended.
Thrown earthly objects are extended and
thus fly contingently, since spin, humidity and
dust particles
Hi meekerdb
So how does Platonia's perfect necessary classes restrain or
contain this world of contingency ? Or does it ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
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Hi Roger,
Harmony is also, as part of several music theory traditions, the management
of dissonance, without which you can't have harmony.
Did Leibniz treat dissonance specifically or suggest say, that well
placed dissonance leads to a more satisfying harmony of the piece as a
whole?
12-Tone
On 11/8/2012 6:19 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Time and space don't exist as substances so
they don't influence the monads, which as you say
are eternal. Further, there is no substance space.
So the monads are not organized in any way.
The monads can be thought of as a collection
On 11/8/2012 6:23 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Libertarians aren't weird.
They're essentially conservatives without a military.
Many people that claim to be libertarian imagine that all
disagreements can be settled w/o violence. That is where they fail to
comprehend the
On 11/8/2012 6:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Who are these entities and how can they exist
a priori as does 2+2=4 ?
Monads are eternal. That implies that there will always be a set of
monads that agree that 2+2=4.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
Forever
On 11/8/2012 6:29 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
You don't need to throw anything.
Parabolas are completely described mathematically.
OK, what is the connection between the particular case of throwing
and a mathematical description?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
On 11/8/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
There are no accidents in Platonia.
There are also perfect parabolas, because
Platonia is the realm of necessary logic,
of pure reason and math, which are inextended.
Hi Roger,
There are no accidents in and all is perfect and
On 11/8/2012 6:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
So how does Platonia's perfect necessary classes restrain or
contain this world of contingency ? Or does it ?
Hi Roger,
That is exactly my question! How does Platonism show the contingent
to be necessary? As far as I have found, it
Stephan,
If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable fine
structure constant across the universe), then the manifolds should
form a Stone space if each manifold instantly maps all the others into
itself, my (BEC
On 11/8/2012 8:51 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephan,
If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable fine
structure constant across the universe), then the manifolds should
form a Stone space if each manifold
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 11/8/2012 8:51 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephan,
If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable fine
structure constant across
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:42, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
There are no accidents in Platonia.
There are also perfect parabolas, because
Platonia is the realm of necessary logic,
of pure reason and math, which are inextended.
Hi Roger,
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:45, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
So how does Platonia's perfect necessary classes restrain or
contain this world of contingency ? Or does it ?
Hi Roger,
That is exactly my question! How does Platonism show the
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:51, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephan,
If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable fine
structure constant across the universe), then the manifolds should
form a Stone space if each manifold
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:51, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephan,
If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable fine
structure constant across
Hi Roger Clough ,
On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
My principal interest over the years has been to
come up with some self-sustaining self-generating
method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching
fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
After the duplication all the John Clark realise that they are in only
one city,
And that is exactly what John Clark predicted would happen.
And John Clark is correct on this.
But that was not yet the question asked, which
On 08 Nov 2012, at 16:35, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:51, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephan,
If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
distinct (as I claim in my paper from
On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
After the duplication all the John Clark realise that they are
in only one city,
And that is exactly what John Clark predicted would happen.
And John Clark is
On 08 Nov 2012, at 16:44, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
After the duplication all the John Clark realise that they are
in only one city,
And that is exactly what John Clark predicted would happen.
And John Clark is correct on this.
But
Hi Roger:
You have to look at the net effect of the entire biosphere. I am not a
biologist and can't speak to the total net effect of photosynthesis. But it
does store some part of the energy flow it encompasses. Humans are rather
substantial energy hang-up barrier busters. We also store
Hi Stephen:
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Hi Roger:
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Hi Hal,
Just look at the
On 11/8/2012 10:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The compact manifolds, what I call string theory monads, are more
fundamental than strings. Strings with spin, charge and mass, as well
as spacetime, emerge from the compact manifolds, perhaps in the manner
that you indicate below.
Hi Richard,
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
it is still not clear who you refers to and that is why pronouns
should not be used. If you refers to the Helsinki man then you will
experience no city at all because according to Bruno Marchal's thought
experiment the Helsinki
2012/11/8 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
it is still not clear who you refers to and that is why pronouns
should not be used. If you refers to the Helsinki man then you will
experience no city at all because according to Bruno
2012/11/8 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 11/8/2012 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/7/2012 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
How can you be in two places at once ?
Your soul, or 1p-you, cannot.
A viewpoint implies a certain place, but I
On 11/8/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:42, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
There are no accidents in Platonia.
There are also perfect parabolas, because
Platonia is the realm of necessary logic,
of pure reason and
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/11/8 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
it is still not clear who you refers to and that is why pronouns
should not be used. If you refers to the
On 11/8/2012 10:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Roger,
That is exactly my question! How does Platonism show the
contingent to be necessary? As far as I have found, it cannot show
necessity of the contingent. In the rush to define the perfect, all
means to show the necessity of contingency
'Transferring' energy isn't the same as doing something with it. 100% energy transfer is
like saying you can transfer gasoline from a can to your car without spilling any of it.
It's the conversion from photons to biomass that is inefficient.
The following is a breakdown of the energetics of
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
By step 1 we already know that only the body of the Helsinki man can be
said to be destroyed. With step one we know that the Helsinki man will
survive,
I agree, so all that's happened is that nobody is experiencing
On 11/8/2012 9:44 AM, John Clark wrote:
A correct prediction would have been W or M.
No! If that or is the exclusive or then that would have been quite obviously a
INCORRECT prediction. If you don't believe John Clark about this then just interview the
parties after it's all over and
On 11/8/2012 1:14 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/11/8 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 11/8/2012 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/7/2012 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
How can you be in two places at
On 11/8/2012 10:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:45, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
So how does Platonia's perfect necessary classes restrain or
contain this world of contingency ? Or does it ?
Hi Roger,
That is exactly my
On 11/8/2012 12:02 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
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On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 05:59:15AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
Yes, the orchestra with the supreme monad as
composer/conductor playing a pleasing orchestra
composition (not 12-tone !) that he dug up out of his
a priori files works fine.
That is what is incompatible with
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Craig,
Comp is not false, IMHO, it is just looked as through a very limited
window. It's notion of truth is what occurs in the limit of an infinite
number of mutually agreeing observers. 1+1=2 has no
On Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:57:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:49:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Can anyone explain why
On 11/8/2012 7:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen
Paul King wrote:
Hi Craig,
Comp is not false, IMHO, it is just looked as through a very
limited window. It's notion of truth is what occurs in the limit
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Is this controversial?
Calling it indeterminate when one thing divides and becomes two because
there are now two things and not one is very controversial, especially if
it's supposed to be so deep and profound that it
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe?
If numbers exist then so does geometry, that is to say numbers can be made
to change in ways that exactly corresponds with the way objects move
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