Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Good question. It's a difficult question to answer, but here's my best answer at present. Monads or substances are the fundamental entites of Leibniz's universe. They are all substances of one part. ---

Re: A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste

2013-01-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, I think there's a lot to worry about, because it's not enough to have an alternative. This alternative has to be online and have a sufficiently high energy output before we get to too far away from peak oil. A sufficiently strong decrease in energy production could create a catastrophic

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy A more powwerful way to steal from the future is to continue govt spending as it is. But to get back to the issue, I'll let the market decide. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen -

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I agree with meeker on the nonduplicates of soul, which are as individual as DNA or fingerprints. And the identity of indescernibles. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King You can either be untroubled by the fact that innocent people die or suffer, or you can try to find meaning for why this can be so. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called cognitive therapy. I use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver:

Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, Me too - well maybe not as often as I should. I hope it's helping you! On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called cognitive therapy. I use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]

Re: Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Same here. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-14, 07:42:02 Subject: Re: Re:

Idealism, theology, and the world of science

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi (socratus) Idealism is the belief that reality can be more accurately understood philosophically than scientifically. Theology is a similar belief, namely that reality can be more accurately understood philosophically than scientifically. If you accept the philosophical-theological view, you

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK--- in the mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 08:45:18 Subject: Re: Re: MWI

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
THe problem with solar energy is that it is strongly subsidized. Instead of you being stolen by monopolistic energy companies, you can steal the taxpayer thank to state planning. Most solar panels are installed because they receive subsidies by KW. As a logical consequience a boost in production

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
I say discrete digital fermionic particles of any kind are substances. whereas continuous analog quantum bosonic loops, and waves and fields are not. Richard On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Good question. It's a difficult question to

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
Hi Roger Clough, God is everything, including this list. Richard David, complex variables and quantum theory go together On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough],

Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
- Physics - Chemistry - Biology - Efferent Motive - *Sense* -^ Afferent Feeling ^ Awareness ^ Consciousness ^ Cognition ^ Theology ^ Philosophy ^ Logic ^ Math - On Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:48:13 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Space and time may be a perception of the mind in the

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 02:41, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 07:00, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: He [me] would rather avoid those topics altogether and take solace in denying

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 02:53, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 3:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 07:30, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 9:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/11/2013 2:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 05:34, Richard Ruquist wrote: Craig, You sound like the ultimate flower girl, all touchy and feelie. However, yo might very well be right. Richard Craig is often right, or well inspired, from the comp perspective. But he is not valid when thinking that what he says needs

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 07:22, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: The Seven Hermetic Principles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFCpkrM2iI =. 1. The Universe is something Intellectual. 2. As above, so below. 3. From potential to active existence. 4. Everything in the Universe can vibrate. 5. Everything

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 7:06:57 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. How do you know there are gravitational waves? But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. Potential energy is

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Instead of complaining now or watching what the market does, by not really watching it รก la Roger, better include the future when considering past and present: I bet that Spain, with its sunshine monopoly and mix of renewable energy and infrastructure investment of the last years, will be

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 07:50, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 9:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Please provide some reference showing almost all

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 09:13, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/12/2013 9:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 05:34, Richard Ruquist wrote: Craig, You sound like the ultimate flower girl, all touchy and feelie. However, yo might very well be right. Richard Craig is often right, or well inspired, from the

Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 10:46, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I Bruno. I wanted to put geometry in the chain because materialists seems to base their firm belief in the fact that space is both in mathematics, in the reality and in the mind, so space it is the firm thing where real things are

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 12:11:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 05:34, Richard Ruquist wrote: That's because they don't consider that matter is inherently sensitive. I do. In

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/13/2013 3:13 AM, meekerdb wrote: Nearly all scientists would agree that the material identity is not important to continuity of consciousness. Therefore any time the appropriate instantiation arises,

Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Roger Clough, On 13 Jan 2013, at 11:37, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal No, the Devil would never disparage reason. For reason, as we can see on this list, is the father of doubt. We are on the domain where we might disagree a lot. I hope you don't mind. I think that: doubt =

Re: A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 11:42, Roger Clough wrote: Here very briefly is how Leibniz might explain morphic resonance and the presence of the past. in terms of his monadology. For that, see : http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/leibniz.htm I am not a marxist. 1. Each

Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 12:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We have the logical entaiment: Arithmetic - computations - consciousness - sharable dreams - physical reality/matter - human biology - human consciousness. It is a

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You are californian its'nt? 2013/1/14 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: THe problem with solar energy is that it is strongly subsidized. Yes, but this is lessening. Protectionism is crumbling.

Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 14:52, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Romans 3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. This statement could be broadened to include god and therefore account for misery in this world.

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: God is everything, including this list. Then God means nothing because meaning needs contrast. If everything that exists and everything that doesn't exist and everything you can imagine and everything that you can't

Re: A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 11:42, Roger Clough wrote: Here very briefly is how Leibniz might explain morphic resonance and the presence of the past. in terms of his monadology. For that, see :

Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 14:52, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Romans 3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. This statement could be

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Neither the state neither the market can build a society. It a question of something more, that has a fundamental ingredient: the contact with reality. When a person believe that receiving from the taxpayer two three four times the market price for his solar electricity, and still think that he

Re: A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 1:50:24 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: I speak of a 4 dimensional semi-infinite block universe that may be the universally accessible storage of everything that ever happened,, with calculations of every possibility for the future semi-infinity (in my

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If, as so many have, you redefine the word God to mean a power greater than myself then I am a theist who firmly believes in God because I believe that bulldozers exist.

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: God is everything, including this list. Then God means nothing because meaning needs contrast. If everything that exists and everything that

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-14 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
I will try to understand situation from today fashion physical point of view. =. Let us say that Plato's world of ideas is a dark mass ( because nobody knows that their are). And Leibniz monadas and Kant's things-in- themselves are quantum particles ( because nobody knows their physical

Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 12:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We have the logical entaiment: Arithmetic - computations - consciousness - sharable dreams -

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread meekerdb
On 1/14/2013 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 07:50, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 9:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jason Resch

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread John Mikes
Brent, thanks for the remark on the Th - salt fission prosess it may be workable if technically easily performed and safe - I claim obsolescence for not knowing the details. You may be right with solar, just consider the surfaces to be covered with panels to match an increasing global energy

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread meekerdb
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Lobbying should be forbidden. But it's just another name for petitioning your government. Lobbyists provide a lot research and expertise to the legislative process, so I don't think it is workable to just forbid them. Brent -- You received this

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread meekerdb
On 1/14/2013 11:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, all creature believe in God, but this does not make the notion trivial at all, as all creature can see God very differently. It's the latter, not the former, that makes the notion trivial. Brent -- You received this message because you are

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:23 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/13/2013 12:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:13 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM, meekerdb

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-14 Thread meekerdb
On 1/11/2013 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto