Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Feb 2013, at 19:44, meekerdb wrote: On 2/17/2013 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2013, at 04:29, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: After proving Euler's identity during a lecture, Benjamin Peirce, a noted American 19th-century philosopher, mathematician, and professor at Harvard

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Feb 2013, at 23:54, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/17/2013 10:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes. Euler identity is wonderful. It amazes me also that it makes the square of any complex number into a (non normalized) gaussian: (e^ix)2 = e^(-x2) I love also Euler even deeper identity

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Feb 2013, at 06:39, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Klein Lachièze-Rey, THE QUEST FOR UNITY – The Adventure of Physics. =. Mathematics is an indispensable and powerful tool where it has been demonstrated that it applies to a real world experience. However, it is inappropriate and, as

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-18 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Feb 18, 12:19 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Socratus, are you able to doubt that physics is the fundamental science? Bruno = In Physics we trust. / Tarun Biswas / http://www.engr.newpaltz.edu/~biswast/ Of course, it is correct, because only Physics can

Re: Simulated Intelligence Mini-Manifesto

2013-02-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:11:05 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Feb 2013, at 22:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:20:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg Baudrillard is not talking

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Feb 2013, at 14:35, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: On Feb 18, 12:19 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Socratus, are you able to doubt that physics is the fundamental science? Bruno = In Physics we trust. / Tarun Biswas / http://www.engr.newpaltz.edu/~biswast/

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-18 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Feb 2013, at 18:09, Jason Resch wrote: Thanks to everyone who replied to this post. So far Stathis and Bruno both answered that both cases are equivalent. Is there anyone willing to argue against either: 1. you

Re: Chosen-ness

2013-02-18 Thread John Mikes
Very Brunoish! besides: you may invest in an s at the end of my (last) name, my son even puts sh as an ending. I don't care if John Mike is duplicated anywhere. John Mikes (active on THIs list since ~1998?) On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Feb

Re: the character of the god of comp

2013-02-18 Thread John Mikes
Terren, (without taking the connotation seriously) *... if God did not have a sense of humor, could we exist?... * does that mean: we are just a joke? JM On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.comwrote: If God is arithmetical truth, then what if anything is there to

Re: the character of the god of comp

2013-02-18 Thread meekerdb
On 2/18/2013 11:47 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: If God is arithmetical truth, then what if anything is there to be said about its character? I know from a formal perspective the answer is nothing, because nothing formal can be said about truth. This is more of an informal question, and comes

Re: the character of the god of comp

2013-02-18 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Brent, No, I don't have any desire to anthropomorphize those things you mentioned, but I think it's fair to say we are all wired to want to anthropomorphize things in general - especially things we can't predict that have some kind of impact on us, like the weather. That said, I don't have a

Re: the character of the god of comp

2013-02-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/18/2013 2:54 PM, John Mikes wrote: Terren, (without taking the connotation seriously) */... if God did not have a sense of humor, could we exist?... /* does that mean: we are just a joke? JM Who would be the one to laugh? On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Terren Suydam

Re: the character of the god of comp

2013-02-18 Thread meekerdb
On 2/18/2013 5:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/18/2013 2:54 PM, John Mikes wrote: Terren, (without taking the connotation seriously) */... if God did not have a sense of humor, could we exist?... /* does that mean: we are just a joke? JM Who would be the one to laugh? God is a

“The brain is not computable and no engineering can reproduce it,”

2013-02-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
A leading neuroscientist says Kurzweil’s Singularity isn’t going to happen. Instead, humans will assimilate machines. Miguel Nicolelis http://www.nicolelislab.net/, a top neuroscientist at Duke University, says computers will never replicate the human brain and that the technological

Re: “The brain is not computable and no engineering can reproduce it,”

2013-02-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/18/2013 9:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511421/the-brain-is-not-computable/ There is no argument presented in this article. The stock market and brain and indeed most natural systems are chaotic, but that is not the same as being not

Re: “The brain is not computable and no engineering can reproduce it,”

2013-02-18 Thread meekerdb
On 2/18/2013 7:51 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/18/2013 9:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511421/the-brain-is-not-computable/ There is no argument presented in this article. The stock market and brain and indeed most natural systems are chaotic,

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-18 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Feb 18, 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Quite wise statements indeed. But is that not a reason to be cautious with general statement like you did above in the Biswas quote ? Bruno == Oh, we are very careful. We do every thing to escape infinity and nothingness.

Re: the character of the god of comp

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/18/2013 11:47 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: If God is arithmetical truth, then what if anything is there to be said about its character? I know from a formal perspective the answer is nothing, because nothing formal can