Perception and cionsciousness according to Leibniz

2013-11-28 Thread Roger Clough
Perception and consciousness according to Leibniz- The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall or Cosmic Mind The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to think that there is a fleshly homunculus Leibniz has a more

Re: The death of analytic philosophy and the birth of consciousness

2013-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Nov 2013, at 14:11, Roger Clough wrote: The death of analytic philosophy and the birth of consciousness Consciousness, which is experience by the first person singular, is by definition outside of the scope of analytic philosophy, which is limited to be able to only deal in descriptions

An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

2013-11-28 Thread Roger Clough
An account of the historical (and continuing) suppression of Leibniz's forbidden ideas Leibniz was an anti-materialist so that his inclusion of Mind and deity into his philosophy were forbidden ideas, and stillo are, to our detriment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM Dr. Roger B

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Nov 2013, at 20:04, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you are able to conceive a god without afterlife I can conceive of a afterlife without God too. it means you can conceive a non Christian God, Yes. which is nice

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote: On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife, Those are 2 separate ideas and there

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Samiya Illias
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslims, and perhaps by the Jewish

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of authoritative arguments, by

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Samiya Illias
Quentin wrote: ' if there was an all loving god, it wouldn't allow for hell and evil..' Why do we need courts and jails and police on Earth if its such an unloving thing to do justice? Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: if

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com Quentin wrote: ' if there was an all loving god, it wouldn't allow for hell and evil..' Why do we need courts and jails and police on Earth if its such an unloving thing to do justice? Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com Quentin wrote: 'Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not allow that, but there is evil...' So if the Loving, Omnipotent and Omniscient Being tells us that this

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the Christian God who is the most unpleasant character in all of fiction. It really depends on which Christians, which can be very different from one culture to another. I know some people who call themselves

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Samiya Illias
Quentin wrote: 'Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not allow that, but there is evil...' So if the Loving, Omnipotent and Omniscient Being tells us that this world's life is but a trial, that free-will has

Re: Perception and cionsciousness according to Leibniz

2013-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Nov 2013, at 12:12, Roger Clough wrote: Perception and consciousness according to Leibniz- The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall or Cosmic Mind The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to think that there is

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Samiya Illias
Sure, but before being judgemental and throwing it out of the window, do read the Books of the Abrahamic faiths. Perhaps one of them will pleasantly surprise you :) Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/28 Samiya

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:43, LizR wrote: Noun atheism (plural atheisms) (narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs). (broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist). (very broadly)

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread meekerdb
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote: On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Atheism

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread meekerdb
On 11/28/2013 6:29 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of authoritative arguments, by

RE: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
Religion? There's a Tim Minchin video for that. It'll cure you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr1I3mBojc0 or maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo cheers colin -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread LizR
On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread LizR
On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena,

Re: An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

2013-11-28 Thread LizR
On 29 November 2013 02:12, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: An account of the historical (and continuing) suppression of Leibniz's forbidden ideas Leibniz was an anti-materialist so that his inclusion of Mind and deity into his philosophy were forbidden ideas, and stillo are, to our

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers apparently see reason for them to exist: *Footnote to Howl* *By Allen Ginsberg http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/allen-ginsberg * Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread LizR
But if *everything's *holy... well, you know the rest. On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers apparently see reason for them to

Re: An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

2013-11-28 Thread LizR
On 29 November 2013 15:17, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but I like his Mathematics Just one of Bruno's many talents :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: if GR requires dark matter to work, and if we can't observe dark matter, doesn't this mean that GR is falsified? If Dark Matter really isn't there then that would indeed falsify General Relativity; but the theory that

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Samiya Illias
I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its own. We may not be able

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more difficult it is to believe that