On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/28/2014 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The problem is that once you suppress God, you will make Matter
into a God, and science into pseudo-religious scientism, with his
train of authoritative arguments. why do you think the FPI is still
On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/28/2014 1:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That would be like attributing importance to a name, at a place
where precisely we should not attribute any importance. I would use
tao, that would make the results looking new-age. Use any another
name,
On 28 Jan 2014, at 19:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/28/2014 1:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But it refers to an immortal person, and singular at that.
Yes. Singular. that the main contribution of the Parmenides: the
rise of monotheism and the rise of monism. The idea that there is a
unique
On 28 Jan 2014, at 19:11, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/28/2014 1:47 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Supposing there is a ground of all reality, as some would
nominate the strings of string theory and others computations of a
universal dovetailer, why would suppose in advance that this GOAR
is infinite,
On 28 Jan 2014, at 19:25, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:31:07 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Jan 2014, at 13:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
But the counterfactuals are theoretical rather than realistic.
I will no more comment any statements using word like
On 29 Jan 2014, at 01:05, LizR wrote:
On 29 January 2014 08:29, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Hi Liz, Others,
Good morning Professor Marchal!
In the general semantic of Leibniz, we have a non empty set of
worlds W, and some valuation of the propositional variables (p, q,
r, ...)
Brent,
Here's another relativity question I'd like to get your explanation for if
I may...
In Thorne's 'Black Holes and Time Warps' he gives the following example.
Two observers A and B.
A leaves earth orbit to travel to the center of the galaxy, 30,100 light
year away, using a constant 1g
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
The expansion of the universe was discovered in the 1920s
Yes, Hubble observed that the universe was expanding in the early 1920s,
but only in the late 1990s was it discovered that the universe was not just
expanding but
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
After all my lessons in logic, I feel duty bound to point out that
Einstein only said that he didn't believe in a personal God.
No, Einstein had more to say on the subject than just I do not believe in
a personal God. Besides not
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
If there is no all encompassing purpose or a goal to existence and if
the unknown principle responsible for the existence of the universe is not
intelligent and is not conscious and is not a being then do you think it
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:13 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
After all my lessons in logic, I feel duty bound to point out that
Einstein only said that he didn't believe in a personal God.
No, Einstein had more to
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com wrote:
You could always just add it and its negation to the list of axioms
(though not at the same time, of course) and see where that leads,
Axioms should be simple things that are self evidently true, neither
Goldbach's
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote
Forget about solving it, I would much rather read a discourse that
clearly and unambiguously explains exactly what the hard problem is.
In a nutshell, the difficulty is that a complete 3p explanation of the
brain seems
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
A proof is a FINITE number of statements establishing the truth or
falsehood of something;
Not establishing the truth, but establishing the theoremhood.
I stand corrected; although it would be true if the axioms in
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
atheists are christians.
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard
that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
John K Clark
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
NO ROOM CAN BE CONSCIOUS.
And we know that because we can say it in all capital letters, or possibly
from the teachings of two of your favorite subjects, astrology and
numerology.
*Except within the fictional
On 29 Jan 2014, at 17:29, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
If there is no all encompassing purpose or a goal to existence
and if the unknown principle responsible for the existence of the
universe is not intelligent and is not
On 29 Jan 2014, at 17:51, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote
Forget about solving it, I would much rather read a discourse
that clearly and unambiguously explains exactly what the hard
problem is.
In a nutshell, the difficulty
On 29 Jan 2014, at 18:12, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
A proof is a FINITE number of statements establishing the truth
or falsehood of something;
Not establishing the truth, but establishing the theoremhood.
I stand
On 29 Jan 2014, at 18:21, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
atheists are christians.
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never
heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
You should
On 1/29/2014 12:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/28/2014 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The problem is that once you suppress God, you will make Matter into a God, and
science into pseudo-religious scientism, with his train of authoritative
On 1/29/2014 12:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/28/2014 1:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That would be like attributing importance to a name, at a place where precisely we
should not attribute any importance. I would use tao, that would make the
OK... thanks, I should have guesses it was the zeta function :D
Anyway, I showed this proof to my 15 year old son and he soon put me right
on why 1-1+1-1+1-1+1... is indeed 1/2.
call the series 1-1+1-1+1... S
then 1-S = 1 - (1-1+1-1+1-1+1...) = 1-1+1-1+1-1... = S
S=1-S, so S=1/2 (which is, I
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:56 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
OK... thanks, I should have guesses it was the zeta function :D
Anyway, I showed this proof to my 15 year old son and he soon put me right
on why 1-1+1-1+1-1+1... is indeed 1/2.
call the series 1-1+1-1+1... S
then 1-S = 1 -
As someone pointed out, it requires a non-standard definition of
convergence, as these series are non-convergent according to the usual
Cauchy definition.
IIRC, it may be Abel summation? I remember Abel summation being
mentioned during my elementary analysis course, but nobody seemed to
That's basically how the guys in the video summed it.
On 30 January 2014 10:11, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
I've noticed something (maybe silly, maybe trivial?). Let's say:
S(0) = 1 = 1
S(1) = 1 - 1 = 0
S(2) = 1 - 1 + 1 = 1
S(3) = 1 - 1 +
On 30 January 2014 10:28, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
As someone pointed out, it requires a non-standard definition of
convergence, as these series are non-convergent according to the usual
Cauchy definition.
Surely they are non convergent full stop?
But even so I can't
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:56:34 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
On 28 January 2014 18:25, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
That's because the theory prevents the truth about it from being accessed.
The theory of comp is blind to its blindness, and demands to be
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:34:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
NO ROOM CAN BE CONSCIOUS.
And we know that because we can say it in all capital letters, or possibly
from the teachings of two of
On 30 January 2014 11:24, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:34:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
NO ROOM CAN BE CONSCIOUS.
And we know that because we can say it in all
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 11:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:34:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
NO
On 30 January 2014 09:39, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at
On 30 January 2014 09:50, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Leibniz was so impressed with binary numbers he suggested that 1 and 0
might be the goar.
John A. Wheeler also.
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I just went upstairs and dug out my copy of Marsden's Elementary
Classical Analysis (don't you love the way advanced maths books are
elementary this, or elementary that - except for my favourite,
Mathematics Made Difficult, by Linderholm).
It's the concept of Cesaro 1-summability that I was dimly
Would math make God obsolete?
If so, that remainds me of something...
I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, for proof denies faith, and
without faith I am nothing.
But, says Man, The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not
have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so
On 30 January 2014 05:13, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
After all my lessons in logic, I feel duty bound to point out that
Einstein only said that he didn't believe in a personal God.
No, Einstein had more to say on
On 30 January 2014 11:56, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
I just went upstairs and dug out my copy of Marsden's Elementary
Classical Analysis (don't you love the way advanced maths books are
elementary this, or elementary that - except for my favourite,
Mathematics Made
On 30 January 2014 11:56, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
It's the concept of Cesaro 1-summability that I was dimly recalling
(page 125), but on page 126, it appears the same result is achieved by
Abel summability, which is more general.
Is Abel the person after whom Abelian
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:57:12AM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 30 January 2014 11:56, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
It's the concept of Cesaro 1-summability that I was dimly recalling
(page 125), but on page 126, it appears the same result is achieved by
Abel summability,
According to comp, consciousness can't be localised, so neither a brain nor
a room can be conscious.
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:53:31AM +1300, LizR wrote:
If I ever write a book on the behaviour of birds native to the Antarctic, I
must call it Elementary penguin singing hare krishna
I might need an explanation of this. My cryptic crossword solver
moduler has just blown a fuse.
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On 30 January 2014 12:11, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Yes. Pity the poor blighters at high school if someone tried to teach
them this stuff. I remember someone once showed me the definition of
continuity in year 11 (with all the upside down As and back to frount
Es), and it
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:01:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
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On 30 January 2014 11:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday,
On 30 January 2014 12:12, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:53:31AM +1300, LizR wrote:
If I ever write a book on the behaviour of birds native to the
Antarctic, I
must call it Elementary penguin singing hare krishna
I might need an explanation of
On 30 January 2014 12:09, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:01:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 11:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 30 January 2014 11:24,
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:13:35 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
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wrote:
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On 30 January 2014 11:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday,
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On 30 January 2014 12:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:01:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 11:39,
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:07:08PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:11, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Yes. Pity the poor blighters at high school if someone tried to teach
them this stuff. I remember someone once showed me the definition of
continuity in year 11
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:22:43 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:21, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
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On 30 January 2014 12:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday,
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On 30 January 2014 12:21, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:13:35 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:09,
On 30 January 2014 12:34, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:07:08PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:11, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Yes. Pity the poor blighters at high school if someone tried to teach
them this stuff.
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wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:22:43 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:21, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday,
I think the problem is that for non-converging series, there are multiple
similar tricks you could do that would give different answers...for example:
S = 1-1+1-1+1-1...
-1*S = -1+1-1+1-1+1...
For a finite or converging series, the order of the summation doesn't
affect the final sum, so if in
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On 30 January 2014 12:34, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:07:08PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:11, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Yes. Pity the poor
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On 30 January 2014 12:32, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:22:43 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:21,
On 30 January 2014 12:45, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the problem is that for non-converging series, there are multiple
similar tricks you could do that would give different answers...for example:
S = 1-1+1-1+1-1...
-1*S = -1+1-1+1-1+1...
For a finite or converging
On 30 January 2014 12:48, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 30 January 2014 12:34, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
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On 30 January 2014 12:11, Russell
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:38:22 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
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On Wednesday,
On 29 January 2014 22:15, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem that concerns me about this way of looking at things is that
any and all behaviour associated with consciousness - including, crucially,
the articulation of our very thoughts and beliefs about conscious phenomena
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On Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12:00 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Ghibbsa,
I'm sorry to say I don't follow your alternative gravity effect here and
On 1/29/2014 5:19 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Brent,
Here's another relativity question I'd like to get your explanation for if I
may...
In Thorne's 'Black Holes and Time Warps' he gives the following example.
Two observers A and B.
A leaves earth orbit to travel to the center of the galaxy,
On 30 January 2014 14:17, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/29/2014 5:19 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Brent,
Here's another relativity question I'd like to get your explanation for
if I may...
In Thorne's 'Black Holes and Time Warps' he gives the following example.
Two observers A
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:06:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
On 29 January 2014 22:15, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
The problem that concerns me about this way of looking at things is that
any and all behaviour associated with consciousness - including,
On 30 January 2014 10:00, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:46:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On 30 January 2014 09:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 30 January 2014
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:17:56 AM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Brent,
But the twins DO AGREE on whose clock ran slower.
So I don't see your point if you use the twins as evidence...
Edgar
It may be a bad idea stepping in here, because I would rate my knowledge of
Relativity
On 30 January 2014 13:30, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with the way a cadaver functions?
Many changes occur after death, the end result of which is that in a
cadaver, the parts are in the wrong configuration and therefore don't
work together as they do in a
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Brent,
But the twins DO AGREE on whose clock ran slower.
So I don't see your point if you use the twins as evidence...
Edgar
Edgar, can you please answer my question about whether, when you talk about
one clock
On 1/29/2014 5:06 PM, David Nyman wrote:
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mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem that concerns me about this way of looking at things is
that any and
all behaviour associated with consciousness - including,
On 1/28/2014 4:19 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Brent,
PS: If geometry doesn't make clocks slow then what does?
Edgar
NOTHING! That's the whole point of idealized clocks. The clocks measure proper time and
proper time is different because the metric is different. General relativity is a
On 1/28/2014 6:06 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Brent,
That's just your interpretation and you apparently ARE UNABLE to find any authoritative
sites to confirm it. Yes, of course the mass interior to a BH collapses into the
singularity but that doesn't mean it vanishes from the black hole.
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On 29 January 2014 22:15, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem that concerns me about this way of looking at things is that
any and all behaviour associated with
On 1/29/2014 5:39 PM, LizR wrote:
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Brent,
Here's another relativity question I'd like to get your explanation for
if I may...
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