Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
I'm not sure I follow much of what you are saying here. Maybe I need to go away and sleep on it. Then again, it's hard to answer comments on your memory of another thread... One thing about 1984 is that the Party are, I think interestingly, powerless. They never let *anyone* who commits

Re: video of Andrei Linde hearing gravity wave news

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
Is it just me? I find things like this make me cry. I saw Alan Guth on the news earlier today, and I just ... well I almost teared up. This is someone who came out with this theory 30 years or more ago, it's like when Higgs was on TV the other year talking about the discovery of the Higgs

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:36:25 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. Quite so, but you were making a completely invalid leap of reasoning from your sense data - something along the lines of I see birds singing in the trees, so mass

Re: video of Andrei Linde hearing gravity wave news

2014-03-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
What impressed me is this: Let's just hope that it is not a trick 2014-03-18 9:17 GMT+01:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: Is it just me? I find things like this make me cry. I saw Alan Guth on the news earlier today, and I just ... well I almost teared up. This is someone who came out with this

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

RE: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR You might also like to see Chris de Morsella's post. I'm not sure how to link to it but the title is First direct evidence of cosmic inflation Here is the link:

RE: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:16 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation The interesting question is which cosmogony models are

Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 3:13 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 6:16 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation The

Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

2014-03-18 Thread Richard Ruquist
The black-hole big-bang theory hypothesized by Smolin and derived by Poplawski is also ruled out as it does not have a cosmic inflation phase. Richard On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/18/2014 3:13 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*

Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread John Clark
Jesse, somehow our conversation has bifurcated into 2 quite different topics, environmental concerns and fundamental physics, today I'll just talk about the physics. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: I already addressed your confusion about the

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 8:14 AM, John Clark wrote: Jesse, somehow our conversation has bifurcated into 2 quite different topics, environmental concerns and fundamental physics, today I'll just talk about the physics. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread spudboy100
Why is it that the Koch's figure so highly in your focus of vilification, but George Soros dies not? Why is political meddling by one side gets targeted but the other doesn't. You seem to have a decided preference for certain billionaires, rather then have a mistrust of all. -Original

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread spudboy100
Its not about my ideology, its about your ideology, actually. I am not here to sell my deep suspicions that would never be accepted. Ideology is like a faith, or rather a faith movement. No solutions offered or even desired, simply obedience to the ruling class. Nice. -Original

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread spudboy100
Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However, it could even be worse than 10,000. As I have tried to get environmentalists

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread John Mikes
Dear Hal Ruhl, it has been for long since we had our last exchangeI clicked the URL and found mostly agreeable general ideas (with my peculiar thoughts in frequent questioning). *May I ask WHAT kind of LIFE are you talking about?* I believe our Terresstrial 'bio' is only a segment. Then

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can trace the history backwards? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread Jesse Mazer
Yes, if you have the exact present quantum state and you're assuming the normal quantum rules for continuous wavefunction evolution, you can determine the past quantum state. The answer might change if you assume that there's an objective physical reality to the collapse of wavefunction with

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
OK, thanks. PS I realise that wavefunction collapse involves information loss and creates a fundamental time asymmetry, but I was under the impression that's the only place in QM that those things can occur - hence Stephen Hawking famously losing a bet (I thnk the prize was an encyclopaedia). So

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
Speaking of 1984 http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/22635-focus-former-top-nsa-official-qwe-are-now-in-a-police-stateq -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 08:46, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However, it could even be worse

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled with them. So even if you suppose there is no collapse of the wavefunction, decoherence has the same effect. Brent On 3/18/2014 2:52 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote:

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi John: It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. Further all such

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled with them. So even if you suppose there is no collapse of the wavefunction, decoherence has the

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 4:12 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 08:46, spudboy...@aol.com mailto:spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 4:52 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi John: It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 12:52, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote: To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. Further

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 13:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The market means you can have as much freedom as you can pay for. Nicely put. I may put that in my collection of quotes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 5:07 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled with them. So even if you

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
Thanks. I couldn't find the exact references. Is this the popular one? http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.2675 On 19 March 2014 13:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/18/2014 5:07 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But in general that would

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2014 6:13 PM, LizR wrote: Thanks. I couldn't find the exact references. Is this the popular one? http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.2675 Yep, that's it. Sorry, I left a digit off. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-18 Thread LizR
On 19 March 2014 14:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/18/2014 6:13 PM, LizR wrote: Thanks. I couldn't find the exact references. Is this the popular one? http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.2675 Yep, that's it. Sorry, I left a digit off. Odd. According to QM that should be

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 02:40:16PM +1300, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 14:27, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote: Hi Liz: Hi Hal The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Why is it that the Koch's figure so highly in your focus of vilification, but George Soros dies not? Why is political meddling by one side gets targeted but the other