Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 May 2014, at 21:16, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? No. Elementary arithmetic emulates n-synchronized oscillators for all n, even infinite enumerable set of oscillators. You would need a continuum of oscillators, with an explicit special

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 May 2014, at 21:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 17:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the ‘hardware’ of our Universe I saw his poster

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 01:10, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bullet point the key, hard-to-vary, components that may or may not result in falsification. In doing so, I will be stating not my personal preference, but the long standing convention. In light of this faithfulness simply to

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 03:05, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:02:25AM +1200, LizR wrote: I don't know the maths, but I think I understand the principle. General relativity predicts that space in the vicinity of massive bodies is curved, or non-Euclidean, like the surface

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 03:26, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 05:12, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: So you do not have a testable, falsifiable, theory Bruno. Not in the scientific sense. No one calls you on this.here.but then again.let's face

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 05:11, meekerdb wrote: On 5/18/2014 6:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 05:12, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: So you do not have a testable, falsifiable, theory Bruno. Not in the scientific sense. No one calls you on

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 19 May 2014 15:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 6:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 05:12, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: So you do not have a testable, falsifiable, theory Bruno. Not in the scientific sense. No one

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 19 May 2014 20:06, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: (*) You find him cute, you said, but you should see me with my new glasses ;) Are you anything like Michael Caine in The Ipcress File ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
I now have a copy of Tronnies - I fear I may be taking exception even to chapter one, which purports to give an overview of contemporary physics but contains many statements that begin Scientists do not understand how... many of which refer to things that scientists do, in fact, understand (or at

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.comwrote: John Clark I plan to save your e-mails and maybe I will read some of them to the audience if and when it turns out that I am correct and am awarded the Nobel prize in Physics. Glory for the winner, humiliation

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:05 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 May 2014 07:16, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? I don't know, but I would think not, because comp allows reality to be digitised at any level (e.g. sub atomic) which wouldn't

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:31:53 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 May 2014, at 01:10, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I'm going to bullet point the key, hard-to-vary, components that may or may not result in falsification. In doing so, I will be stating not my personal preference,

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread John Ross
Well said!!! John R From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 3:44 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM, John Ross

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, May 18, 2014 John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I plan to save your e-mails and maybe I will read some of them to the audience if and when it turns out that I am correct and am awarded the Nobel prize in Physics. Wow what a honor, my humble words read out to the entire

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread John Ross
My theory describes the internal structure of electrons, photons, protons, atomic nuclei, magnetism, gravity, what preceded the Big Bang, universe contraction, inflation and anti-gravity. In the (you would say very unlikely) event that it turns out that I am correct and existing theories are

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an engineering viewpoint. What does it take to make a conscious machine and what are the advantages or disadvantages of doing so. Bruno says a machine that

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 2:59:52 AM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:15 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:55:03 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 7:22 PM, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an engineering viewpoint. What does it take to make a conscious machine and what are the

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 11:38, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 15:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 6:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 05:12, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: So you do not have a testable, falsifiable, theory Bruno. Not in

Fwd: An unusual race

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
Maybe Bruno would like to train an entry. Brent Original Message http://www.nature.com/news/the-game-is-on-1.15167 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 11:40, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 20:06, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: (*) You find him cute, you said, but you should see me with my new glasses ;) Are you anything like Michael Caine in The Ipcress File ? Only when reading mail. But now I have progressive

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:26:40 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 21:16, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? No. Elementary arithmetic emulates n-synchronized oscillators for all n, even infinite enumerable set of

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an engineering

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:40:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 16:46, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:31:53 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 May 2014, at 01:10, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bullet point the key, hard-to-vary, components that may or may not result in falsification. In doing so, I will

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:47:05 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:40:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:15:32 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:47:05 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:40:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:09:15 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 May 2014, at 16:46, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:31:53 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 May 2014, at 01:10, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bullet point the key, hard-to-vary,

Re: Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-19 Thread Jason Resch
Craig, What about computer/automated trading software that currently executes the majority of stock trades in the world? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading Then there are also those text messaging services where people pay $1 or more per text message to chat with what

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
John R, I looked briefly at chapter 2 last night and it appears to merely restate your ideas, rather than giving any background reasoning. If so - I haven't finished it yet - that leaves us in the position that you have given a word-based description of a theory which is vastly at odds with

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread John Ross
I don’t smoke, but I did not expect a cigar anyway. I believe Chapter I is a fair assessment of current scientific thinking. (If I honestly believe something but am not certain of, I believe use of the phrase “I believe “ is appropriate.) Many scientist are skeptical of many features of

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 11:17, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I don’t smoke, but I did not expect a cigar anyway. I *believe* Chapter I is a fair assessment of current scientific thinking. (If I honestly believe something but am not certain of, I *believe* use of the phrase “I believe

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb

Re: Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 19, 2014 5:52:35 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: Craig, What about computer/automated trading software that currently executes the majority of stock trades in the world? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading Then there are also those text messaging services

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 05:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an engineering viewpoint. What does it take to make a conscious machine and what are the advantages or

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 06:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 06:47, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Another major logical problem with this, I mentioned a while back in an earlier thread. The whole position that matter is non-primary or non-real or whatever, is effectively trivial and redundant UNLESS and UNTIL that hypotheses produces major

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 5:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 20 May 2014 06:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 12:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 5:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 20 May 2014 06:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 19 May 2014 13:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 May 2014 10:06, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Liz, thanks for your care to reflect upon my text and I apologize for my LATE REPLY. You ask about my opinion on Tegmark's

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 01:12:20PM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Accordingto Deutsch, MWI is falsifiable, with some actions of a quantum computer. These would be the heavy hitters of QC, and not the lab toys we have today, but we'd potentially have access to electrons in

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:35:47 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 7:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 13:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 May 2014 10:06, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com mailto:jami...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Liz, thanks for your care to

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 15:13, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: That's a case of a good problem cut in two, one side murdered and buried and forgotten, the other side pulped, mixed up with a pot of tea, some facial moisturizer and a pack of tasty after eight mints, and generously shared around the room all

RE: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
At the risk of re-starting the Thorium wars grin this is a current article on the why NOTS of Thorium. It addresses them point by point. http://thebulletin.org/thorium-wonder-fuel-wasnt7156 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group.

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-19 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 16:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 7:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 13:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 May 2014 10:06, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Liz, thanks for your care to

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 9:30 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: At the risk of re-starting the Thorium wars grin this is a current article on the why NOTS of Thorium. It addresses them point by point. http://thebulletin.org/thorium-wonder-fuel-wasnt7156 A mishmash of criticism most

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-19 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 9:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 20 May 2014 16:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 7:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 May 2014 13:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 5:40 PM, LizR