Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Samiya Illias
Dear John, Thank you for sharing your amazing life story! You ask: 'Allow me please one more question: how is it balanced with the Day of the Divine Final Sentencing that people die now and some go to Heaven and some to Hell? (I am referring to the 72 virgins vs. the fire-created Satan-helpers

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Samiya Illias
PGC, I do not assume that you don't read religious text. I do get the feeling though that you do not hold them in esteem, due to the reasons you cite against them, particularly the blasphemy point you keep raising. Also, I do not think the Quran is yet on your reading list. Is that correct? If

Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf This test was also originally devised by Wellman and Estes, and involves asking the child what the brain is for. They found that *normal 3-4 year olds already know that the brain has a set of mental functions*,

Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to what inputs and outputs are or to the understanding of what truth is in theoretical terms. The possibility of inputs is

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread David Nyman
On 16 July 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: but I would say it is very likely that having mindreading-empathy deficits on the autistic spectrum would tend to result in a strong bias against idealism, panpsychism, free will, or the hard problem of consciousness. I must

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 21:25, David Nyman wrote: On 14 July 2014 18:26, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Such explanations are bottom up all the way down. Hence there is simply no place in that explanatory hierarchy for any supplementary notion of computation distinguishable from what

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 15:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 02:04, meekerdb wrote: Yet that seems to be what Quentin requires in order to say to instances of the MG compute the same function. Knowing the

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 16:35, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Of course there is. You know when in Helsinki, (as a comp believer) John Clark is NOT a comp believer. This contradicts the fact that you are OK with step 0, and step 1,

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:05, meekerdb wrote: On 7/15/2014 12:27 PM, John Clark wrote: Yes, the Bible contains its own sadistic lunacy--but the above quotations can be fairly said to convey the central message of the Qur'an--and of Islam at nearly every moment in its history. The Qur'an does

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-16 19:22 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com Well I can accept such language in mathematics where you make clear what is meant, not in every day use when someone says he *believes* in god, that's not what he

Re: The subtle distinction between belief faith

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jul 2014, at 04:23, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Some quoted passages from Alan Watts (author of The Wisdom of Insecurity - 1951) regarding the distinction between belief and faith that seemed pertinent to me to several of the discussion threads going on here.

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf This test was also originally devised by Wellman and Estes, and involves asking the child what the brain is for. They found that normal 3-4 year olds already

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:53:43 AM UTC-4, David Nyman wrote: On 16 July 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: but I would say it is very likely that having mindreading-empathy deficits on the autistic spectrum would tend to result in a strong bias against

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread John Clark
Salman Rushdie wrote: religion is the poison in the blood. Where religion intervenes, mere innocence is no excuse. Yet we go on skating around this issue, speaking of religion in the fashionable language of respect. What is there to respect in any of this, or in any of the crimes now being

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to what inputs and outputs are or to the understanding of what truth is in

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:06:27 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf This test was also originally devised by Wellman and Estes, and involves asking the

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-16 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John Clark is NOT a comp believer. This contradicts the fact that you are OK with step 0, and step 1, and step 2. I'm not surprised. I've long ago forgotten what those steps were but I do know that If one starts with

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-16 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: 18 square miles of empty Arizona desert could yield around two hundred thousand tons of high grade jet quality biofuel That sounds about right to me. And I can think of few things

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-16 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, I can be no more appreciative to all I learned from you about the Islamic issues during my entire life. I will not change my ways of thinking now, after 92 years, but I still like to learn. So live well, have a good life (wherever it will take you) - you got a friend in me. So please do

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing. they are no longer materialistic. Either they are no-theories or they allow any interpretation anyone may like about the know and unknow reality. In certain sense materialism has given up without being conscious of it. That is because

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to