Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 01:05, LizR wrote: On 22 July 2014 23:19, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:14, Richard Ruquist wrote: I agree that it does not make any sense. But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the universe. We now have two

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-24 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There should be an Everett style multiverse embedded in the string landscape universe. Perhaps but that's not the only way it could happen, string theory could be wrong and Everett still be right. Everett pointed out that

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
David, As I try to see if we disagree, or if it is just a problem of vocabulary, I will make comment which might, or not be like I am nitpicking, and that *might* be the case, and then I apologize. On 23 Jul 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote: Recent discussions, mainly with Brent and

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-24 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I don't think the ability to say I know (or believe) I am awake has anything to do with intelligence. If so then it MUST be a byproduct of intelligence because otherwise it would not have evolved, and yet it did at

Fwd: Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
The funny thing about this is that Sean says it has increased my own personal credence in the correctness of the Everett approach to quantum mechanics from “pretty high” to “extremely high indeed.” Yet his penultimate paragraph is essentially a statement of Fuchs Qbism: We like this

Fwd: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
This may clarify (or provoke) discussion of Moscow vs. Washington. It's interesting that Carroll and Sebens use FPI and Sean says it increases his confidence in Everett's MWI. But in his penultimate paragraph he essentially lays out an endorsement of Fuchs QBism, which is generally seen as

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 July 2014 18:40, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: This may clarify (or provoke) discussion of Moscow vs. Washington. It's interesting that Carroll and Sebens use FPI and Sean says it increases his confidence in Everett's MWI. But in his penultimate paragraph he essentially lays out

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-24 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I did read Hoffstader years ago. An organ is not totally alike a social insect colony. The electrons are moved at upper Newtonian, rather then via neurons, saavy? You don't have your liver trailing down the street after you. Why does that make it a poor analogy? Is there something essential

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
On 7/24/2014 11:09 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 24 July 2014 18:40, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: This may clarify (or provoke) discussion of Moscow vs. Washington. It's interesting that Carroll and Sebens use FPI and Sean says it increases his

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
HI Jesse, David, On 23 Jul 2014, at 18:49, Jesse Mazer wrote: Had some trouble following your post (in part because I don't know all the acronyms), but are you talking about the basic problem of deciding which computations a particular physical process can be said to implement or

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 20:14, meekerdb wrote: On 7/23/2014 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence is more simple. It is, I think the natural state of the virgin universal machine. What's a UTM with no program? A Gift of God. It is a universal machine virgin of any program. A computer

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 20:35, meekerdb wrote: On 7/23/2014 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote: On 7/22/2014 12:08 AM, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: What part of your brain is more evolved than a

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:59, David Nyman wrote: On 23 July 2014 18:25, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You miss, and perhaps David's too (?), the fact that above a threshold of relative complexity, the lower level is not relevant for the description of the higher level. It would be

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
On 7/24/2014 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 20:35, meekerdb wrote: On 7/23/2014 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote: On 7/22/2014 12:08 AM, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 02:38, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There should be an Everett style multiverse embedded in the string landscape universe. Perhaps but that's not the only way it could happen, string theory could be

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Cultural determism is incompatible with natural selection. That was plainly demonstrated by Symons in his book The evolution of human sexuality ,but it is common sense among evolutionists of any kind. Suppose that human culture determines human behaviour. Then suppose a mutant that use culture

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 10:21, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Cultural determism is incompatible with natural selection. Pardon my ignorance, but what is cultural determinism? (Or what would it be, if there was such a thing?) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
Oh, OK, WIkipedia! (oops!) *Cultural determinism* is the belief that the culture in which we are raised determines who we are at emotional and behavioral levels. This supports the theory that environmental influences dominate who we are instead of biologically inherited traits. That sounds a bit

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Too much time lost with people that make his imaginary victimization the justification for anything. I attract no girls? that´s because religion. Am I mean and not very intelligent? Tha´ts because capitalism. Do I have a ugly looking face? That is because the Church. And too much diversity

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com And too much diversity syrup makes me vomit Seems you choose to do much of your vomiting on this list; is there some reason you feel so compelled to share your vomit? -- You received this message because you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. Brent On 7/24/2014 3:42 PM, LizR wrote: Oh, OK, WIkipedia! (oops!) *Cultural determinism*is the belief that the culture in which we are raised determines who we are at emotional and

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. What is 'cultural selection' ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Atheist On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 12:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -- *From:* LizR lizj...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:49 PM *Subject:* Re: Atheist On 25 July 2014

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
On 7/24/2014 4:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. What is 'cultural selection' ? I think there are two

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 13:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/24/2014 4:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. What is 'cultural