Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:15:10 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jul 2014, at 04:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM

John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread LizR
https://www.ted.com/talks/john_searle_our_shared_condition_consciousness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread David Nyman
Hilarious! I've always had a soft spot for Searle. He writes very well, he's much more entertaining than most philosophers and his riveting 1984 series of Reith Lectures on the BBC re-ignited my fascination with the topic. But his would-be-simple solution of the mind-body problem holds up only so

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread David Nyman
On 24 July 2014 14:50, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: As I try to see if we disagree, or if it is just a problem of vocabulary, I will make comment which might, or not be like I am nitpicking, and that *might* be the case, and then I apologize. No worries. I think some of it is just

Re: John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jul 2014, at 12:12, David Nyman wrote: Hilarious! I've always had a soft spot for Searle. He writes very well, he's much more entertaining than most philosophers and his riveting 1984 series of Reith Lectures on the BBC re-ignited my fascination with the topic. Yes Searle is wrong and

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2014, at 17:07, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:21, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread David Nyman
On 23 July 2014 17:49, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: So, why not adopt a Tegmark-like view where a physical universe is *nothing more* than a particular abstract computation, and that can give us a well-defined notion of which sub-computations are performed within it by various

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2014, at 17:37, David Nyman wrote: On 24 July 2014 22:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: To put it another way, there is nobody present for whom it could represent a difference. It still exist, or the difference 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... will need itself a knower to make

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: On 23 July 2014 17:49, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: So, why not adopt a Tegmark-like view where a physical universe is *nothing more* than a particular abstract computation, and that can give us a

Re: John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.ted.com/talks/john_searle_our_shared_condition_consciousness As the inventor of the Chinese Room, the single stupidest thought exparament in the history of the world, I don't understand how anyone can still take anything

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread David Nyman
On 27 July 2014 17:27, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see why that should follow at all, as long as there are multiple infinite computations running rather than the UDA being the only one, I may be missing some other point you're making, but I think this is already dealt with

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:13 PM, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: On 27 July 2014 17:27, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see why that should follow at all, as long as there are multiple infinite computations running rather than the UDA being the only one, I may be

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread David Nyman
On 27 July 2014 18:46, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: But when you say by this point in the argument, do you mean there was some earlier step that established some good *reasons* for why we should abandon the notion of a primitively-physical universe (or primitive universal

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-27 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 2:04 PM, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: On 27 July 2014 18:46, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: But when you say by this point in the argument, do you mean there was some earlier step that established some good *reasons* for why we should

Re: John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread LizR
On 28 July 2014 04:51, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.ted.com/talks/john_searle_our_shared_condition_consciousness As the inventor of the Chinese Room, the single stupidest thought exparament in the history

Re: John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:55:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 28 July 2014 04:51, John Clark johnk...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR liz...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: https://www.ted.com/talks/john_searle_our_shared_condition_consciousness As the