Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Oct-2014, at 5:03 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: If the Quran has told Muslims to put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2014, at 17:02, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Samiya Illias wrote: On 09-Oct-2014, at 11:42 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2014, at 17:30, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 05:40, Samiya Illias wrote: On 10-Oct-2014, at 3:21 am, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that is stupid beyond belief. The argument here is that there is no subjective impression. WTF? Maybe this guy is the best argument we have for

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that is stupid beyond belief. The argument here is that there is no subjective impression. WTF?

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2014, at 02:13, meekerdb wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:31 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the nothing but information

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread David Nyman
On 14 October 2014 11:49, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It is not uncommon for believer to accept a contradiction to save their faith, which appears to be of the type *blind*. Yes indeed. It also puts me in mind of Sherlock Holmes's famous dictum: When you have eliminated the

Re: I can tolerate anything except the outgroup

2014-10-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:32

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Oct 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that is stupid beyond

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread David Nyman
On 13 October 2014 15:43, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Well, some people might say just information processing, and that is like using some god to *explain* everything, instead of trying to formulate the problem. This is doubly so in the use of the term information, which is a word

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Samiya Illias
On 14-Oct-2014, at 3:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Oct-2014, at 3:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread David Nyman
On 13 October 2014 16:05, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: That is the difference between []p and []p p. The difference is null, extensionally, from the point of view or the arithmetical truth. But the difference is huge from both the body and soul points of view. Neither []p nor []p p

Re: I can tolerate anything except the outgroup

2014-10-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:29 PM,

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:33 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/13/2014 9:26 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I think it's a fools' task to try to speak for God. Unless, one has an unassailable truth behind them, one that is testable, in the falsifiable sense of the phrase. So far, one can believe in the rightness of religious texts but its a matter of subjective analysis. Try admitting that we don't

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Oct-2014, at 12:51 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like an internet publicity chapter in the Qu'ran (I assume there must be some things related to men of

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Samiya Illias
On 14-Oct-2014, at 6:28 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Oct-2014, at 3:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun,

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Are you at war with Islam? No, I'm not at war with anyone. Why should God put terror in your heart? Because God is obviously a sadist and gets off on bondage. Why else would God spend a infinite number of years

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the awful suffering you have accurately, cited? Marx said that religion is an opiate for the people, so what do you offer as a pain reliever? -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To:

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread David Nyman
On 14 October 2014 11:49, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: They eliminate consciousness because they grasp that it is the only way to keep the aristotelian belief in a creation intact. I seem to be motivated to comment at some length on this topic! It must be because of what I've been

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Moreover, John- What'dya think of Brian May? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/11143875/Prof-Brian-Cox-Theres-a-naivety-in-saying-there-is-no-God.html I don't know if he's right or way wrong, but I find his focus, interesting. -Original Message- From: John Clark

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Ok. Have you ever given thought to a primal mind being a Boltzmann Brain? -Original Message- From: David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 11:21 am Subject: Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today) On 14

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the awful suffering you have accurately, cited? That's asking a awful lot of me, I don't have a solution that will eliminate the

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Very Good. Thanks Mitch -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:48, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: what a things is and what a thing does: is basically the same things. So you think there is no difference between nouns verbs and adjectives. Wrong inference, which

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You confirm all the time the theory that atheists are the best defenders of the christians dogma. Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2014, at 09:16, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Oct-2014, at 5:03 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: If the Quran has told

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2014, at 19:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 8:54 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Consider the following verses of Chapter

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2014, at 20:19, Samiya Illias wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 10:37 pm, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 8:54 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias

Re: dot dot dot

2014-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2014, at 02:18, meekerdb wrote: Are you aware of the research by the dating website OKCupid that showed that the best way to find out if your date believes in God, without asking directly, is to ask if they are persnickety about spelling and grammar. No indicates a likely

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are some kind of divine intervention that saved my life. Could there be an explanation that is completely secular? I am open to such, but

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

2014-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: By insisting that God does not exist, you insist that the Christians/Muslims/Jews have the correct notion of God. Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I suggest to define God by either the physical universe OR what is at the origin of the physical universe, Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God is not omniscient, God isn't even very smart, in

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Stephen Paul King
​Hi John, Yo wrote: God isn't even very smart, in fact God is as dumb as a sack full of doorknobs.​ Indeed, your existence is proof of this claim! Try harder not to project the consequences of being finite and human onto something that you will never understand. Too be sure, I find that

Reversing time = local reversal of thermodynamic arrows?

2014-10-14 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi, I re-read S. Mitra's paper http://arxiv.org/pdf/0902.3825v2.pdf again and it made more sense than before if I assumed that the reversible measurement idea is to be taken as a local reversal to the direction of entropy flow in an area and not the entire universe. The trouble is this

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Samiya Illias
On 14-Oct-2014, at 11:24 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Oct 2014, at 19:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 8:54 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: No. Verses were noted down and memorised as revealed. What if somebody human made a mistake here, like all of us from time to time? Towards the end of the prophetic mission, when all the verses had been