Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 02:10:51PM -0800, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Russell’s observation that “The ultimate theory of everything is just a theory of nothing.” seems intuitively correct to me… though I have no rigorous proof for this sense of it ringing true for

Re: Evolution of pro-social religions

2015-01-04 Thread Alberto G. Corona
There are previous evolutionary studies of religion leaded by David Sloan Wilson. I think that they only scratch the surface. But it is a good start. I wrote in this group about the need of human sacrifices to create an stable society if natural selection and game theory are accepted as

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2015, at 23:39, meekerdb wrote: On 1/3/2015 7:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday,

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Kim Jones wrote: On 4 Jan 2015, at 2:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But this fearing of God is a mystery to me. God should be good. Only the devil should be feared. (between us). Is the devil not-God? Yes, we can say that in the Platonic

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 09:05, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Democracy On 03

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2015, at 16:21, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Neither the USSR was democratic neither democracy means freedom. I said to you that democracy is a bad name, a wildcard that each one fill with underserved and unjustified attirbuted, a symbol of freedom that does not deserve it. It is

Re: Carlos Castaneda

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
I agree. Frijtfof Capra, also. But this illustrates my point. As long as non confessional theology does not come back to academy, we open the road of the lack of rigor in the field, and we provide jobs to the charlatans, and retired Doctors. Actually, theology has been ejected out of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 'Roger' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Even if the word exists has no use because everything exists, it seems important to know why everything exists. Even if the word klogknee has no use because everything is klogknee, is it important to

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 05:33, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Are only 0, s(0), s(s(0)), ... primary? or should we also insist that addition and multiplication are primary. You tell me, you're the one who asked Do you believe in a

Re: Carlos Castaneda

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 07:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/3/2015 9:50 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of meekerdb Here's a mystic who knew the purpose of religion. I well remember the

Re: Evolution of pro-social religions

2015-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 02:14, zibblequib...@gmail.com wrote: In the first instance I'm posting this recently accepted paper (link is to full paper), for Bruno and Brent reference a recent discussion between them about the part of large scale religion in the emergence of ever-more complex

RE: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Democracy On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:59 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 03

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] In regard to: If nothing existed; would it remain nothing? This is exactly what I'm suggesting. It would not remain nothing. We usually think of the situation when you get rid of all matter, energy,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread Kim Jones
On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:17 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: If everything exists, what doesn't exist? Nothing. If nothing existed; would it remain nothing? -Chris Brent You are both missing the main question: what was

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Careful not confusing Nothing exists and Nothing exist. In the first case, something exists. But not necessarily in the second case If nothing means no-thing, and that is certainly how that English word originated, then

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread meekerdb
On 1/4/2015 1:09 AM, Kim Jones wrote: On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:17 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: If everything exists, what doesn't exist? Nothing. If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread meekerdb
On 1/4/2015 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. - Anne Lamott Good point. Of course today we know that God has created the cat in his own image, and that he created

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread LizR
I hope Russell's theory of nothing is getting due attention. On 5 January 2015 at 08:26, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kim Jones *Sent:*

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 1:09 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 3

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread John Mikes
I published several times on various lists - including this one - my agnostic? stance about that *OXYMORON *'democracy' called so because the 'demos' (i.e. all of us) cannot exercise 'kratos' (governing power) to everyone's satisfaction in the variety we represent genetically, mentally, in

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-04 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: By your post, it seems you do not believe in a primary biological reality or even a chemical universe. I don't know, give me some examples of a primary biological reality and a chemical universe and I'll be able to tell you if I

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR I hope Russell's theory of nothing is getting due attention. Russell’s observation that “The ultimate theory of everything is just a theory of nothing.” seems intuitively correct to

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Russell ~ got to say that you nailed it on the head, with this statement: “Thus it appears that emergence stands in opposition to reductionism, a paradigm of understanding something by studying its constituent parts. To someone wedded to the notion of reductionism, emergence can appear rather

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Alberto G. Corona
For me the reason of the failure of the USSR was so accelerated for the same reasons why other democracies are corrupted and degenerated, but while the democracies dismiss and erodes progressively the pre-political grounds that guarantee personal freedom, Comunism directly tries to eliminate such

RE: S=0

2015-01-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Russell ~ nicely summed up [is there a pun in what I just said?] I like that subtle meta information that the sum entirety of all information of everything is all on the left hand of an equation with no information in it at all when taken as a whole. I like the focus that this way of putting it

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 3:04 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/3/2015 4:15 PM, PGC wrote: with the latter ultimately escaping our capacity to sort and analyze. You mean their assertion of that is clear. It's begging the question to say it is clear. It's clear to

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread Kim Jones
On 5 Jan 2015, at 2:57 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Kim Jones wrote: On 4 Jan 2015, at 2:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But this fearing of God is a mystery to me. God should be good. Only the devil should be feared.

Re: Intelligence Consciousness

2015-01-04 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:33 AM, zibblequib...@gmail.com wrote: I've been over this many times on this list, a rock may be conscious But there's no reason to entertain a rock is conscious to begin with. If the rock behaved intelligently then I would think it's conscious, but it doesn't

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, I have nothing important to say! :-) Nothing and something are kind of good areas for puns, double entendres and jokes. After all, Jerry Seinfeld had a whole show about nothing! Roger – you have much to say about nothing [just joking] You mentioned: I agree with the