Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
On 1 February 2015 at 13:59, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:24 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT, So if it's not behavior how do you tell the difference between smart people and stupid

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
On 1 February 2015 at 13:01, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. It was a first cut. For a very realistic and humorous view of the social problems with machines I recommend the novels of stanislav Lem. I recommend the works of Lem generally. -- You received this message

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism and being convinced you know the truth and that everyone else is wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
Here is someone who knows a thing or two giving his opinion on God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422579428v=-suvkwNYSQox-yt-cl=85114404 As god once said - and I believe rightly... -- Margaret Thatcher -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:34

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism and being convinced you know the truth and that everyone else is wrong. Hmm... Someday, I hope and pray, when you're blessed with faith, perhaps you'll

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Where do I insult your faith? I should have phrased it as 'my expression of faith' and not 'my faith'. I do not say

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2015 12:23 AM, LizR wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 13:59, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:24 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit I have never been able to see much point in

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Jan 2015, at 11:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 29 Jan 2015, at 11:12, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Jan 2015, at 00:10, LizR wrote: try here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wqg-xl8VA0 however you have to join the website (for free), which I haven't done so I can't say if legit Oh, I am on Youtube since long, but yet, again, actually worse: This video has been removed because

Re: Democracy

2015-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 January 2015 at 12:07, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: So in what way are you forced to conform? Do you want to have sex with sheep? No. Do you want to shoot up heroin? Not now, but I would like the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:22:40PM -0800, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Ten divided by three is a computable number, Turing meant something else by a non-computable number. There are algorithms that will allow you to compute a decimal that is arbitrarily close to 10/3

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And then there's consciousness, which everybody (presumably) knows what it is, but nobody knows how to test for Not true, EVERYBODY know how to test for consciousness, intelligence behavior is the test, and and without

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:23 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 13:59, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: So if it's not behavior how do you tell the difference between smart people and stupid people? In that case it's behaviour. But Turing's question was can a

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 05:57:10PM -0500, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And then there's consciousness, which everybody (presumably) knows what it is, but nobody knows how to test for Not true, EVERYBODY know how to test for

A New Mathematical Proof Shows How Some Spaces Can't Always Be Divided

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-new-proof-shows-how-some-spaces-cant-always-be-divided-into-smaller-spaces ...does this show space (at least in hwoever many dimensions) isn't - can't be - a continuum? (Or if not, what does it show?) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism and being convinced you know the truth and that everyone else is wrong.

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2015 2:57 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And then there's consciousness, which everybody (presumably) knows what it is, but nobody knows how to test for Not true, EVERYBODY know how to

Einstein wondering about the unreasonable effectiveness of maths

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_geometry.html Crazy mystic that he was... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: EVERYBODY know how to test for consciousness, intelligence behavior is the test, and and without exception every person on this list has used that test at least once every single day of their lives. The entire thing is

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread LizR
I have always suspected that stupid people aren't conscious. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2015 4:46 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 05:57:10PM -0500, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:44 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: And then there's consciousness, which everybody (presumably) knows what it is, but nobody knows how to test for

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-01 Thread Samiya Illias
On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism and being