On 13 Mar 2015, at 18:14, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 , Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
True, and most people have never even heard of the Turing Test,
but every human being who has ever lived has implicitly assumed that
if something behaves intelligently then it
On 13 Mar 2015, at 18:06, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 3/13/2015 12:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:25 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 3/12/2015 1:21 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Not me.
On 13 Mar 2015, at 19:00, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/13/2015 10:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
or under anesthesia I'm not conscious
You can't prove that. That's an assumption.
That's logic chopping. There's a big gap between proven and
assumed. In fact all of science works in that gap. It's
On 14 Mar 2015, at 20:59, John Mikes wrote:
LizR:
Consciousness, in my vocabulary sounds like: Response to Relations,
not a mental awarness in thinking/living creatures.
Response to relation looks like Behaviorism, that is pure 3p.
Consciousness usually denote the first person awareness.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:26 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Humans apply pressure on the floor when standing up, so Evolution is
responsible for mass and gravity?
No, but Evolution is responsible for the fact
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:19 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Are you proposing we laugh our way through the greatest extinction event
since the dinosaurs bought it some sixty million years ago…. As we degrade
and destroy this planet’s
On 13 Mar 2015, at 17:57, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
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On 13 Mar 2015, at 08:19, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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On 3/12/2015 1:21 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On 13 Mar 2015, at 19:21, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/13/2015 10:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 3/13/2015 12:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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On 3/12/2015
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/13/2015 10:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
or under anesthesia I'm not conscious
You can't prove that. That's an assumption.
That's logic chopping. There's a big gap between proven and assumed. In
fact all of
Can amoeba computers be far behind?
http://uncomp.uwe.ac.uk/LCCOMP/Anuncios/Entries/2015/7/20_ECAL_2015__Slime_Mould_Computers.html
Brent
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On 3/15/2015 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
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Organisms apply pressure on surfaces, even if they are dead. This is just
a property of chunks of
solid matter. Evolution did not create this
Bruno wrote:
*Response to relation looks like Behaviorism, that is pure 3p. *
*Consciousness usually denote the first person awareness. *
Where does your line#1 imply your line#2? That darn Behaviorism (I don't
argue with your usage of words) may be a 'liveless' 3p behavior as well.
It may
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Organisms apply pressure on surfaces, even if they are dead. This is just
a property of chunks of solid matter. Evolution did not create this
behaviour
I disagree. Evolution didn't select for that behavior but it did cause it,
On 3/15/2015 7:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
That's because I don't know what the question is.
The question is simple: why can't organisms generated by evolutionary processes possess
properties that are not the result of evolutionary pressure? Because your argument
hinges on assuming that
On 3/15/2015 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We cannot define the notion of finite number
This will make it very difficult to interpret the output of your computer.
Brent
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On 22 Jan 2015, at 17:14, David Nyman wrote:
On 22 January 2015 at 08:22, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Because with sufficiently big infinity in both mind and matter, you
can a priori singularize the experience and the body in a way
On 13 Mar 2015, at 19:34, John Clark wrote:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM
I ordered it.
Quick, before they make it illegal.
I share on my FB page, hoping to interest my automobile owner friends ;)
Bruno
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http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1523413.ece
An interesting paper that reviews the history on consciousness in
philosophy in order to display that
Twenty years ago, however, an instant myth was born: a myth about a
dramatic resurgence of interest in the topic of consciousness in
On 3/15/2015 7:10 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 3/13/2015 10:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
or under anesthesia I'm not conscious
You can't prove that. That's an assumption.
Well of course laughing AT people you dislike is a classic bullying
technique. And then you say oh come on it was only a joke!
Yet bullies never make jokes about themselves, because they are often
humourless sociopaths.
Dunno if this is on topic but I thought I'd mention it anyway, just in case.
But is it as environmentally friendly as the Grass Car?
On 14 March 2015 at 07:34, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote
consciousness may be an necessary spandrel of brain architecture, but
NOT of intelligence in general.
The same drugs that make me behave stupidly also makes me feel less
conscious, and that fact is incompatible with the above idea.
In California now it's considered environmentally unfriendly to wash your car or to water
your lawn. So TEZA 1 would be doubly unfriendly.
Brent
On 3/15/2015 4:35 PM, LizR wrote:
But is it as environmentally friendly as the Grass Car?
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On 15 March 2015 at 08:59, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
LizR:
Consciousness, in my vocabulary sounds like: Response to Relations, not a
mental awarness in thinking/living creatures. Your views may be correct, if
you accept conclusions drawn in the name of the present science upon the
On 16 March 2015 at 06:49, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Organisms apply pressure on surfaces, even if they are dead. This is
just a property of chunks of solid matter. Evolution did not create this
behaviour
I
Did you actually mean that Bruno or should it be infinite - I thought you
defined the notion.
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On 3/15/2015 7:57 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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You assume that intelligence only comes from brains.
Only a fool would not assume that and I am not a fool.
It is true that drugs that make brains less
On 14 March 2015 at 05:44, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/13/2015 12:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:25 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/12/2015 1:21 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Not me. I'm the opposite, I was always confused by the idea
On 3/15/2015 6:15 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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consciousness may be an necessary spandrel of brain architecture, but NOT
of
intelligence in general.
The same drugs that make me behave stupidly also makes
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
You assume that intelligence only comes from brains.
Only a fool would not assume that and I am not a fool.
It is true that drugs that make brains less intelligent make them less
conscious. But it might not be true of, for
On 14 March 2015 at 07:21, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/13/2015 10:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/13/2015 12:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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