Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread LizR
Wow. Less than 1% of Swedish trash ends up in a landfill http://www.theplaidzebra.com/less-than-1-of-swedish-trash-ends-up-in-a-landfill/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:57 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo, pls. tellme: what should we call 'information'? I agree with John Clark's definition. If you ask for a definition of surprise, I think that can be formalized too. Surprise is inversely proportional to the performance

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is now creating as much new digital information as all the data ever created from the dawn of humans through the current century. It has been estimated that by 2020, the size of the world’s digital universe will be close to

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread LizR
I'm not sure there's too much more information generated in the receiver sitting looking at images and text as opposed to going outside and meeting people, admiring the view, etc. Obviously there's *some* more, especially since we've discovered a lot in recent centuries (and decades) - but how

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is now creating as much new digital information as all the data ever created from the dawn of humans through the current century. It has been estimated that by 2020, the size of the world’s digital universe will be close to 44

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread LizR
On 20 April 2015 at 06:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Civilization could never reboot if our present effete environmentalists were still calling the shots, but I don't think they would be. I hypothesize that in a post collapse world

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread Russell Standish
Weighing in on this thread: Comments here are quite vague, compared with the mathematical crispness of algorithmic information theory. @John - the amount of surprise actually related to the concept of mutual information, which is the amount of information some message tells you about some other

RE: Where are they?

2015-04-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR The Fermi paradox gets sharper. http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.03418 This makes it even more important that we don’t blow it on our own little world. Or perhaps it is evidence that *we are

RE: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 10:35 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a

RE: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:24 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Food for thought Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is now creating as

Fwd: Candyland and the Nature of the Absurd

2015-04-19 Thread meekerdb
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Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread meekerdb
On 4/19/2015 11:33 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: I agree on some level; however in the case of the one million zero bits I would argue that in the context of the given query or search this result may be the precise information that is desired and the noise bits are rejected

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread meekerdb
On 4/19/2015 4:42 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I think environmentalists tailor their message to their target audience, and to what they consider is achievable. I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has

Re: Where are they?

2015-04-19 Thread LizR
Some colourless green ideas on a similar subject... we are racing towards a precipice http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/29706-noam-chomsky-us-responsible-for-qworst-terrorist-campaign-in-the-world-by-farq -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Where are they?

2015-04-19 Thread LizR
In my opinion extensive Dysonisation will only occur later in the stelliferous era - in the 100 trillion years when the galaxy (and the few others still visible in the far distance) glow rose-red from having a population exclusively made of stellar remnants and M class dwarfs. At this point some

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I think environmentalists tailor their message to their target audience, and to what they consider is achievable. I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has anything to do with it. I think environmentalists tailor their message to

RE: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:06 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Food for thought On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:57 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com

RE: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 10:46 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Food for thought On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: the Brazilian steel industry (the 9nth largest ranked producer in the world) utilizes sustainably produced (for the most part) charcoal to produce pig iron from iron ore. It's sustainable

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: It sems that one image is worth a thousands Shakespeare books. Mathematics can tell you how much information something has, but it can't tell you how important that information is because that is a function of

RE: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Food for thought Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: in the case of the one million zero bits I would argue that in the context of the given query or search this result may be the precise information that is desired [...] without knowledge

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has anything to do with it. I think environmentalists tailor their message to scare their target audience as much as possible, because without fear they would not have a job. You mean

Re: I for one welcome our Eastern overlords

2015-04-19 Thread Kim Jones
No mention of NZ. Is that because rather than invest they simply bought the entire country outright? Who Flung Dung, the famous Chinese economist says they want the whole of the South Island as a retirement village, haven’t you heard? K On 20 Apr 2015, at 2:17 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com

I for one welcome our Eastern overlords

2015-04-19 Thread LizR
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