On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:47:12 PM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com javascript:
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On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:07:15 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be
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On 19 May
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:59:52 PM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
I think Bruno has explained to me previously that things like the mass of
the electron may be geographical, rather than physical. But things like
quantum logic/measure may be a necessary part of the global physics.
If that is the
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:13:01 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
The stability of natural laws is also the simplest situation, I think?
(Isn't there something in Russell's TON about this?) Natural laws remain
stable due to symmetry principles, which are simpler than anything
asymmetric
Your graph shows the result of arctic sea ice disappearing while antarctic
sea ice has been increasing. These can both be reasonably ascribed to
climate change - less sea ice in the arctic means it's melting, more in the
antarctic means it's coming off the ice cap into the sea because the ice
cap
On 24 May 2015 at 17:40, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
I really like this argument, even though I once came up with a (bad)
attempt to refute it. I wish it received more attention because it does
cast quite a penetrating light on the issue. What you're suggesting is
effectively the cache
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 8:18:41 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
On 24 May 2015 at 17:40, Pierz pie...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
I really like this argument, even though I once came up with a (bad)
attempt to refute it. I wish it received more attention because it does
cast quite a
The stability of natural laws is also the simplest situation, I think?
(Isn't there something in Russell's TON about this?) Natural laws remain
stable due to symmetry principles, which are simpler than anything
asymmetric (although physics contains some asymmetries, of course, like
matter vs
On 23 May 2015, at 08:06, Pierz wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 2:14:07 AM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 May 2015, at 10:34, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Friday, May 22, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 21 May 2015, at 01:53, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On
On 23 May 2015, at 17:07, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 19 May 2015, at 15:53, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 19 May 2015 at 14:45, Jason Resch
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:02:42 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 5/23/2015 9:58 PM, Pierz wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 8:36:40 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
I'm not sure why comp would predict that physical laws are invariant
for all observers. I can see that it would lead to a sort
On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 9:08:30 PM UTC+10, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
I sure did, Telmo. Scroll to the bottom and you shall view my last,
number 26th, the last one. This kind of thing is interesting to me. I tend
toward the materialist stuff since it seems to have potential. The
mentalist
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:15:41 PM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 May 2015, at 08:06, Pierz wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 2:14:07 AM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 May 2015, at 10:34, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Friday, May 22, 2015, Bruno Marchal
On 5/24/2015 3:31 AM, LizR wrote:
Your graph shows the result of arctic sea ice disappearing while antarctic sea ice has
been increasing. These can both be reasonably ascribed to climate change - less sea ice
in the arctic means it's melting, more in the antarctic means it's coming off the ice
On Monday, May 25, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 5/24/2015 1:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Again, with comp, all incarnations are zombie, because bodies do not
think. It is the abstract person which thinks
But a few thumps on the body and the abstract person won't think
On 5/24/2015 4:09 AM, Pierz wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:47:12 PM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:07:15 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44
On 5/24/2015 4:43 AM, Pierz wrote:
Quite. Materialism has something of a head-start.
Not really. Spiritualism and animism ruled the world for millenia before Galileo and even
before Democritus and Aristotle. The idea that consciousness controlled clouds, planets,
disease, seas, plants,...
On 5/24/2015 2:12 AM, LizR wrote:
The stability of natural laws is also the simplest situation, I think? (Isn't there
something in Russell's TON about this?) Natural laws remain stable due to symmetry
principles, which are simpler than anything asymmetric (although physics contains some
On 24 May 2015, at 10:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 May 2015, at 10:34, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Friday, May 22, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 21 May 2015, at 01:53, Stathis Papaioannou
On 5/23/2015 11:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
There is a common programming technique called memoization. Essentially building
automatic caches for functions within a program. I wonder: would adding memorization to
the functions implementing an AI eventually result in it becoming a zombie recording
On 23 May 2015, at 12:36, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure why comp would predict that physical laws are invariant
for all observers
I can see that it would lead to a sort of super-anthropic-selection
effect, but surely all possible observers should exist somewhere in
arithmetic, including ones
On 23 May 2015, at 11:23, Pierz wrote:
Some time ago on this list I had a fascinating exchange with Bruno
that has stayed with me, fuelling some attacks of 4am philosophical
insomnia - an affliction I imagine I'm not the only person on this
list to suffer from! If you try to nail Bruno
On 5/24/2015 1:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Again, with comp, all incarnations are zombie, because bodies do not think. It is the
abstract person which thinks
But a few thumps on the body and the abstract person won't think either. So far as we
have observered *only* bodies think. If comp
On Monday, May 25, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 24 May 2015, at 10:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 May 2015, at 10:34, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Friday, May 22, 2015, Bruno Marchal
Statements like this lead me to suspect that, when it comes down to it, you
don't really make any essential distinction between the 3p and 1p senses of
the term consciousness. ISTM that the latter sense is probably what you
intend by fundamental. Whereas consciousness in the former sense can
Ah! Think again, unless you are wedded to an ideology? This is real trouble, I
think, what should we do about it?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/13/science/la-sci-sn-volcanoes-antarctica-climate-20130712The
LA Times is a solid, progressive news source, and I guess the science must've
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 07:19:46PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 May 2015, at 10:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I can't really see an alternative other than Russel's suggestion
that the random activity might perfectly sustain consciousness
until a certain point, then all
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 5/23/2015 11:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
There is a common programming technique called memoization. Essentially
building automatic caches for functions within a program. I wonder: would
adding memorization to the
On Monday, May 25, 2015, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 07:19:46PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 May 2015, at 10:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I can't really see an alternative other than Russel's suggestion
that the random activity might
On 5/24/2015 11:28 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 5/24/2015 1:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Again, with comp, all incarnations are zombie, because bodies do not
think. It is
the abstract
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 23 May 2015, at 17:07, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 19 May 2015, at 15:53, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Stathis
On 25 May 2015 at 07:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 5/24/2015 11:28 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
In a virtual environment, destroying the body destroys the consciousness,
but both are actually due to the underlying computations.
How can those thumped know it's virtual. A
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:47:12 PM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:07:15 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM,
On 5/24/2015 4:27 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 25 May 2015 at 07:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 5/24/2015 11:28 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
In a virtual environment, destroying the body destroys the consciousness,
but both are actually due to the underlying computations.
On 5/24/2015 5:05 AM, Pierz wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:02:42 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 5/23/2015 9:58 PM, Pierz wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 8:36:40 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
I'm not sure why comp would predict that physical laws are invariant
for all
On 5/23/2015 9:58 PM, Pierz wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 8:36:40 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
I'm not sure why comp would predict that physical laws are invariant for all
observers. I can see that it would lead to a sort of
super-anthropic-selection
effect, but surely all
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:07:15 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 19 May 2015, at 15:53, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Stathis
I think Bruno has explained to me previously that things like the mass of
the electron may be geographical, rather than physical. But things like
quantum logic/measure may be a necessary part of the global physics.
Even without comp, I think the evolution of life requires that laws be
relatively
On Saturday, May 23, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 May 2015, at 10:34, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Friday, May 22, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 21 May 2015, at 01:53, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Jason Resch
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