Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-31 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, whatever you said (and I condone most of it) is WITHIN the scope of the --- H U M A N --- mindwork (logic, math, observation-explanations etc) - based on the limited access humanity *so far* achieved from the infinite complexity we may call WORLD or NATURE. Every new addition to

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread John Mikes
LizR: I find it funny if so many thinking minds on this list (and around the world?) take your *...You are simply assuming the truth of what you have so far failed to demonstrate. * seriously, YET the list continues in this endless self-assured worldview debate - some times even including views

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-31 Thread John Clark
On Sun, May 31, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Other than randomness nobody has ever seen anything in the physical world that was not computable. Physics uses real and complex numbers, and use analysis (which is second order arithmetic). That's nice, but other than

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread LizR
On 1 June 2015 at 02:36, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: John Pertwee or Tom Baker to the rescue! Behold, The Master has initiated Time Ram! Roger Delgado at the charge. Did you know Pertwee's son play's Alfred the Butler on Gotham? SPECTRE has activated

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Well, Sean Pertwee, in this prequel to Batman, called Gotham, envisages the Batman character, Alfred the butler, taking on the role of raising an orphaned Bruce Wayne. The series, Gotham is a fully realized world, as they say, where the earth of Gotham City is not the earth that we inhabit in

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:01 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2015 at 03:42, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Which is why I suggest that those who understand science should evaluate the Quranic statements about nature to examine if the author knows what he is talking

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread Samiya Illias
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2015 at 06:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: LizR: I find it funny if so many thinking minds on this list (and around the world?) take your ...You are simply assuming the truth of what you

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 1 June 2015 at 06:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: LizR: I find it funny if so many thinking minds on this list (and around the world?) take your ...You are simply assuming the truth of what you have so far failed to demonstrate. seriously, YET the list continues in this endless

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread LizR
On 1 June 2015 at 12:32, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2015 at 06:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: LizR: I find it funny if so many thinking minds on this list (and around the world?) take your ...You are simply assuming the truth of what you have so

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread LizR
On 1 June 2015 at 08:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: LizR: I find it funny if so many thinking minds on this list (and around the world?) take your *...You are simply assuming the truth of what you have so far failed to demonstrate. * seriously, YET the list continues in this

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-31 Thread LizR
On 1 June 2015 at 04:38, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: A Turing Machine does assume matter that obeys the laws of physics It assumes that an infinite tape is available. Which physical laws allow that? A Turing Machine is actually an *algorithm* - it isn't a mechanical device,

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-31 Thread John Clark
On Sun, May 31, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: A Turing Machine does assume matter that obeys the laws of physics It assumes that an infinite tape is available. A Turing Machine assumes a unlimited tape, that is to say if you start to run out of tape you can order up more tape; it

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Monday, June 1, 2015, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stath...@gmail.com'); wrote: On 1 June 2015 at 06:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread Kim Jones
On 31 May 2015, at 9:03 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2015 at 03:24, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: God created humans How do you know FFS? There are by now a few credible alternative scenarios. Why does G have to be the grandmother of every bloody thing?

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread LizR
On 1 June 2015 at 14:12, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:01 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2015 at 03:42, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Which is why I suggest that those who understand science should evaluate the Quranic

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Well, I am not supporting that life is an illusion, sort of thing, because simply put, if one drops a hammer on one's toes, the pain is still there, whether the world is real or not. What I suggest is that it's a great computation, maybe a simulation, maybe the real combined with a sim, maybe

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Its probably just the way I remembered it. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 30, 2015 7:07 pm Subject: Re: Samiya proved right On 31 May 2015 at 03:32, spudboy100 via Everything List

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Agreed. Philosopher, John Leslie, uses the terms ethical requiredness, when applying this to God. It's somehow easier for most, emotionally, simply to drop the God thing, as an expectation in their lives. High expectations can mean high disappointments. Physicist, Guilio Prisco suggests that

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
No No No! You've all got it wrong again! It's not the Trump of Doom, you sillies. It's the Doom of Trump! See? http://nypost.com/2015/05/30/stop-pretending-donald-trump-is-not-running-for-president/ -Original Message- From: Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au To: everything-list

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
John Pertwee or Tom Baker to the rescue! Behold, The Master has initiated Time Ram! Roger Delgado at the charge. Did you know Pertwee's son play's Alfred the Butler on Gotham? SPECTRE has activated Project Flemming to extort the world-and cause true global warming :-) -Original

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 May 2015, at 04:13, John Clark wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2015M, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: See my preceding posts. I have already commented this. OK, lets think about your previous posts, like the one where you said Church's thesis is not related to physics at all or the