Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 11 Aug 2015, at 10:26 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: No doubt that it would be interesting to look at. Salvia has been called a cure of ... atheism (the non agnostic one 'course). Not that it makes you believe in anything new, it just shows reasons to doubt more, and to

Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread Pierz
Thanks Bruce, that actually makes a lot of sense ... and kind of completely trashes my previous understanding! It also makes QM weirder, and even makes me doubt MWI, which reading Deutsch had convinced me was the true account. On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 2:42:50 PM UTC+10, Bruce wrote:

Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 6:08:31 PM UTC+10, Bruce wrote: Pierz wrote: Thanks Bruce, that actually makes a lot of sense ... and kind of completely trashes my previous understanding! It also makes QM weirder, and even makes me doubt MWI, which

R: Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
BTW there is an amusing paper by (the manyworlder) Lev Vaidman. http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609006 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Pierz
Oh I'd enjoy that test! :) But I'd enjoy even more administering it to John Clarke. I suspect I already know the result however. On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 10:09:42 AM UTC+10, Kim Jones wrote: OK - perhaps this post is not entirely serious. I don't actually know. There appears to be no

Re: Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread Pierz
Thanks - that looks interesting! I'll be reading that on the train tonight... On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 4:10:00 PM UTC+10, scerir wrote: BTW there is an amusing paper by (the manyworlder) Lev Vaidman. http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609006 -- You received this message because

Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 6:08:31 PM UTC+10, Bruce wrote: Pierz wrote: Thanks Bruce, that actually makes a lot of sense ... and kind of completely trashes my previous understanding! It also makes QM weirder, and even makes me doubt MWI, which reading Deutsch had convinced me was

Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
Pierz wrote: Thanks Bruce, that actually makes a lot of sense ... and kind of completely trashes my previous understanding! It also makes QM weirder, and even makes me doubt MWI, which reading Deutsch had convinced me was the true account. MWI is popular, but it is not without its problems.

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:09, Kim Jones wrote: OK - perhaps this post is not entirely serious. I don't actually know. There appears to be no reliable test of idiocy. Even people who invite others to participate in games of running along a lawn while a drone fires rockets at them may not

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2015, at 10:55, Pierz wrote: Oh I'd enjoy that test! :) But I'd enjoy even more administering it to John Clarke. I suspect I already know the result however. I agree, but it is not entirely obvious, as I think John C does not lie to himself, only to us. Sometimes, I am not sure

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2015, at 01:43, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: ​ ​there will be only one 1-view from any of the two 3-1 p view ​Oh no​, now we have the two 3-1 p view​!​ We have this since the beginning. 3-JC is refers to the

Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 6:08:31 PM UTC+10, Bruce wrote: Pierz wrote: Thanks Bruce, that actually makes a lot of sense ... and kind of completely trashes my previous understanding! It also makes QM weirder,

Re: Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread David Nyman
On 11 August 2015 at 07:09, 'scerir' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: BTW there is an amusing paper by (the manyworlder) Lev Vaidman. http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609006 Nice paper (from a while back). AFAICT his resolution of the indeterminacy issue in MWI is

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Aug 2015, at 9:42 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If you think you have a sure fire way to identify an idiot...it's you. Brent You, sir - are no one’s idiot. Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread meekerdb
If you think you have a sure fire way to identify an idiot...it's you. Brent On 8/11/2015 4:06 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 11 Aug 2015, at 10:26 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: No doubt that it would be interesting to look at. Salvia has been called a cure

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-11 Thread Pierz
So here's an excerpt from this paper: h ttp://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9609006v1.pdf, which was recently linked in response to a question I asked about MWI. This seems to echo *exactly* your concerns about identity/pronouns in the duplication experiment, and to resolve them, even though this

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-11 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: ​ ​ ​ Oh no​, now we have the two 3-1 p view ​!​ ​ ​ We have this since the beginning. ​That explains your profound confusion. ​ ​ ​ You can say that both copies have the 1-view of the H-guy, ​Regardless of how many bodies

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: ​ ​ Oh I'd enjoy that test! :) But I'd enjoy even more administering it to John Clarke. I suspect I already know the result however. Idiot or not at least ​John Clark ​knows how to spell his last name. John K Clark --

Re: MWI question for the physicists...

2015-08-11 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
For each according to their observation state, to each according to their needs. Bawh hah hah, Tovaritch. Is good? -Original Message- From: David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2015 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Re: MWI

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 10:51:37 AM UTC+10, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: ​ ​ Oh I'd enjoy that test! :) But I'd enjoy even more administering it to John Clarke. I suspect I already know the result however.