On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > Yesterday the Moscow man we can see today, was the Helsinki man. > No. We agreed that "the Moscow man" means the man who saw Moscow, but yesterday nobody saw Moscow. So yesterday I would have said "I predict that I the Helsinki man will become two and become the Moscow man and the Washington man, but as of today neither of those gentleman have been born yet because as of today nobody has seen Moscow or Washington". You've got to keep your terms straight, it's important. >> >> but of course he couldn't because yesterday the Moscow man DID NOT EXIST. > > > > > That makes no sense. Of course he did exist, he was in Helsinki, > Now you're changing the meaning of "the Moscow man" again, but OK if that's the new meaning then the Washington man existed in Helsinki too. So when you ask the question "What city do you expect to see?" who are you asking, the Moscow man or the Washington man? If you want people to understand what you're saying you've got to get your terms straight and stop changing then in mid sentence! >> >> It was the very act of seeing Moscow that turned the Helsinki man into >> the Moscow man, > > > > > Without in any way killing the Helsinki man, > That depends on what "the Helsinki man" means, if it means remembering being in Helsinki yesterday them the Helsinki man is alive and well today and is in two places, if it means the man currently experiencing Helsinki then the Helsinki man is dead as a doornail. The trouble is not only do your personal pronouns have no referent but even the proper nouns have foggy meaning that change constantly. This is some complicated stuff we have no experience in so intuition is of little help, thus words can't be used casually, precision of meaning is essential. > > What you can't predict is the specific location > And that is because you can't specify exactly what is suposed to be predicted. >> >> >> John Clark canneither agree nor disagree with that until Bruno Marchal >> explains if "you" is only the guy currently in Helsinki today or if "you" >> includes guys who tomorrow will remember being in Helsinki today. > > > > > This has been answered many times. "you" means the guy in Helsinki, > If that's what "you" means then I predict I will experience absolutely nothing tomorrow because tomorrow I will no longer be the guy in Helsinki. > > Well, that could be confusing. No shit Sherlock . > > > Just use the diaries, > For what, toilet paper ? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
