date:20171030

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread Brent Meeker

On 10/30/2017 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 30 Oct 2017, at 07:15, Brent Meeker wrote:

On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote:

On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the
psycho-tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of mice was dismissed and
stopped, and remain largely ignored. It is a total inhuman shame!

I looked at that paper. It was statistically bogus.

Nobody has ever found that paper easily. One guy found one of the
author and got a manuscript draft, then later, someone found an old
print of it, but I think it is a hell of difficulty to find the paper.

I guess you talk about something else. That paper was written by
people paid by the US Government to prove that cannabis causes
cancer, but they found the opposite: it cures cancer (at least on
mice for a collection of cerebral tumor). You may look at:

http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html

You should look at the original paper, not breathless second-hand
reports.

http://sci-hub.ac/10.1038/nrc1188

I can't access this. I see also russian text asking I register, I
guess. Could you send me a copy please, perhaps?

Anyway, that precise discovery,

It was anything but "precise".

and its extension on humans cells has been done again 20 years later
by a spanish Team, and belongs to the "mainstream":

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

It refers to cannabis inhibiting autophagy which may lead to cell
death, but not necessarily.

Some cannabinoids induce autophagy of the cancerous cells (in vitro).

That is not bogus, and has been verified, and followed by many
papers showing that cannabis is indeed an excellent medication for
many diseases---you can look at:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/23/20-medical-studies-that-prove-cannabis-can-cure-cancer/

/Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibited tumour-cell proliferation*in vitro*/

Yes. But then you have the testimony. And the point I refer initially
are the lies. Even if cannabis cannot been used for human cancer, the
hiding of the discovery described above, and the stopping of the
research on something promising,

Where is the evidence that the discovery is hidden (it's published) and
that further research was stopped for some nefarious reason?

even if only promising, is the bad attitude I deplore. We are not here
to debate on cannabis.

I did verify some of those papers (some are bogus indeed, but many
are not).

As I said, the team of Mechoulam, in Jerusalem, have understood the
basic general mechanism, by discovering the anandamide, which is the
name they gave to the agonist of THC, and by unraveling the
endo-cannabinoid system in all enough high animals (which means all,
except for some primitive sea non-vertebrates). Google on
endo-cannabinoid system.

Also, it is a false secret that the reason to forbid cannabis was
brought by a set-up. There has never been any reason to make
cannabis illegal. There are many good videos and books on the
subject. I will not develop this here. I can give references,
including to the thousand of papers which add evidence that cannabis
can cure many disease and cancers. Of course such research are not
permitted in the land of the free, and it is not yet that simple in
Europa too.

There are plenty of pharmacological research labs outside the U.S.
Are you claiming there's a worldwide conspiracy to prevent curing cancer?

I find it hilariously implausible. Corn->ethanol barely breaks even on
the energy-return-on-investment. Hemp would require even more
extraction processing.

Brent

That hypothesis explains a lot of things, notably that despite the
success of the cannabis medical, and the continuing lack of evidences
of problem with hemp, cannabis is still in schedule one. Even under
Obama, the schedule one of cannabis has been renewed, despite many
hope for putting it at least in schedule 2. But no: research is still
forbidden/strongly discouraged. The reefer madness persists. It looks
slightly attenuated, but the lies continue in the health domain and in
the industrial domain (not to mention the much older lies in the
theological domain).

Bruno

Brent

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Re: How we view the World

2017-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal



On 30 Oct 2017, at 12:38, ronaldheld wrote:


Thoughts?  Likely not a AR person.


<1710.09944.pdf>



It is excellent, imo, but I should consecrate more time on some of its  
its big assertions. What do you mean "not a AR person"? (Arithmetical  
Realist?). Well, no, the paper assume arithmetic.


(In arithmetic, from a recursion theorist point of view, this exploits  
more the Emil Post's immune/simple complementarity than the Emil  
Post's creative/productive complementarity. But this suppose some  
amount of computability theory.).


Give us more time to see if it is really interesting (I think I have  
already a small problem with the Maxwell Daemon. Hmm... he might be  
correct, hard to say now).


Bruno




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Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal

On 30 Oct 2017, at 07:15, Brent Meeker wrote:

On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote:

On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the
psycho-tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of mice was dismissed
and stopped, and remain largely ignored. It is a total inhuman
shame!

I looked at that paper. It was statistically bogus.

http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html

You should look at the original paper, not breathless second-hand
reports.

http://sci-hub.ac/10.1038/nrc1188

I can't access this. I see also russian text asking I register, I
guess. Could you send me a copy please, perhaps?

Anyway, that precise discovery,

It was anything but "precise".

and its extension on humans cells has been done again 20 years
later by a spanish Team, and belongs to the "mainstream":

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

It refers to cannabis inhibiting autophagy which may lead to cell
death, but not necessarily.

Some cannabinoids induce autophagy of the cancerous cells (in vitro).

That is not bogus, and has been verified, and followed by many
papers showing that cannabis is indeed an excellent medication for
many diseases---you can look at:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/23/20-medical-studies-that-prove-cannabis-can-cure-cancer/

Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibited tumour-cell proliferation in vitro

I did verify some of those papers (some are bogus indeed, but many
are not).

As I said, the team of Mechoulam, in Jerusalem, have understood the
basic general mechanism, by discovering the anandamide, which is
the name they gave to the agonist of THC, and by unraveling the
endo-cannabinoid system in all enough high animals (which means
all, except for some primitive sea non-vertebrates). Google on endo-
cannabinoid system.

Also, it is a false secret that the reason to forbid cannabis was
brought by a set-up. There has never been any reason to make
cannabis illegal. There are many good videos and books on the
subject. I will not develop this here. I can give references,
including to the thousand of papers which add evidence that
cannabis can cure many disease and cancers. Of course such research
are not permitted in the land of the free, and it is not yet that
simple in Europa too.

There are plenty of pharmacological research labs outside the U.S.
Are you claiming there's a worldwide conspiracy to prevent curing
cancer?

Cannabis has been made illegal world-wide, rather rapidly. Only the
Russians took a bit more time. yes, I find plausible there has been a
worldwide multi-corporatist conspiracy to hide the medical and
industrial virtue of Hemp to sell as much Petrol as possible. That
hypothesis explains a lot of things, notably that despite the success
of the cannabis medical, and the continuing lack of evidences of
problem with hemp, cannabis is still in schedule one. Even under
Obama, the schedule one of cannabis has been renewed, despite many
hope for putting it at least in schedule 2. But no: research is still
forbidden/strongly discouraged. The reefer madness persists. It looks
slightly attenuated, but the lies continue in the health domain and in
the industrial domain (not to mention the much older lies in the
theological domain).

Bruno

Brent

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Re: An interstellar asteroid has been found

2017-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal

On 30 Oct 2017, at 12:34, ronaldheld wrote:

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 12:25:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
For the first time an asteroid has been found that follows a
hyperbolic path not a elliptical one, that means it is not in orbit
around the sun but is freely traveling between the stars. It's about
1300 feet across and was discovered on Oct 19 after it had already
made its closest approach to Earth (15 million miles) which must
have been on Oct 14. It will never come this way again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/10/27/a-space-rock-from-another-star-is-spotted-in-our-solar-system-a-cosmic-first/?utm_term=.2f342bf9bebc

John K Clark
the object needs a new designation as it does not orbit the Sun,
just passing through.

An Alien Asteroid?

A Migrant Asteroid?

Go back to your Solar System!

Well, actually, it is interesting, and provides much hope to get some
news on what is out of the Solar System.

It is like the Stranger and the Unknown: opportunities to learn.

Bruno

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Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread PGC



On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:08:58 PM UTC+1, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
>
>
> 2017-10-30 14:58 GMT+01:00 PGC :
>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In acute, severe pain they are often the only thing that works, and 
>>> denying them to a suffering patient is inhumane. In chronic pain, their use 
>>> is more controversial. Perhaps not widely known is that in a way they are 
>>> very safe drugs in that they do not cause end organ damage, unlike, say, 
>>> alcohol or tobacco.
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that tobacco would be much less dangerous if people were informed, 
>>> and could have more choice. Since tobacco exists, it has been used orally 
>>> by many people, and today, studies shows that this mode of consumption is 
>>> far less dangerous than smoking it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Elephant-killing doses of fentanyl are used in cardiac surgery, and as 
>>> long as respiration is supported, the patient wakes up fine. The problem is 
>>> that some people (not all) enjoy the euphoric effect so much that they 
>>> misuse them, leading to tolerance, dose escalation and risk of overdose.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is right, but seems to be an effect of its prohibition.
>>>
>>
>> Then next time a person requires that kind of surgery, they can thus 
>> inform the doctor that a small salvia infusion and some chewing tobacco 
>> suffices for their analgesic needs before a scalpel is reached for? The 
>> efficacy of opiates is not merely an effect of prohibition. 
>>
>> Assuming something severe like heart surgery, a work related accident, a 
>> soldier being exposed to an IED and losing a limb in a war zone... anywhere 
>> where high levels of pain are a clear matter, I know why most humane 
>> doctors today turn to opiates. Efficacy at pain management. Stathis is 
>> correct. 
>>
>> In addition to their utility in surgery, it is a fact that said soldier 
>> with a lost limb, supplied with an appropriate dose of morphine, fentanyl, 
>> or one of its equivalents may not have their mortifying/traumatic level of 
>> pain disappear completely; i.e. the pain is still there but somehow, from a 
>> subjective point of view, *it matters much less than before the opiate 
>> was administered*. If pain is assumed to be nature's "argument of 
>> authority", then opiates are the best local god atm. This property is 
>> remarkable, useful, and well established. You could argue that some of the 
>> dynamics of prohibition are due to opiates' efficacy: they are so effective 
>> at relieving pain that people have waged war over their control/use.
>>  
>>
>>> In the city of Liege, in Belgium, they have made (two times) a three 
>>> year experience of legalizing heroin. You need a medical prescription. This 
>>> has confirmed that the best medication to quit heroin is ... heroin itself, 
>>> when cheap and medically prescribed. heroin then loose completely its 
>>> appeal for "beginners", and old consummers, not only get fine, got the time 
>>> to search a job, diminish by themselves the consumption, and eventually 
>>> most have stopped. Obviously, this is helpful for getting clean needles and 
>>> preventing AIDS. Despite this success, heroin is still illegal in Belgium, 
>>> for pure insane political reason.
>>>
>>  
>> What's so insane about the usual social dynamics of loosing face or being 
>> in office? Assuming you had a sizable bit of political reputation to 
>> uphold, would you risk it by switching sides on something that is clearly 
>> not decidable in public? Betting on your aesthetic preference for 
>> everything minimalism, you'd choose the path of minimal risk and uphold the 
>> very prohibition you flatter yourself denouncing.
>>
>> Because it's much easier to yodel conspiracy from the outside than to 
>> face the practicalities and admit the tension of two opposing facts:
>>
>> 1) Opiates are the most effective tools for pain management known, and 
>> their usefulness in surgery is well established, so we need them for now.
>> 2) With chronic pain, it is often impossible to distinguish between those 
>> that are "truly suffering from consistent and/or worsening pain" and those 
>> that want access to the drug for whatever reason (which the Christians 
>> demonize because they loose subscribers). All copies state that they are in 
>> severe pain for true reasons in their history. Unfortunately, interviewing 
>> them in a thought experiment sheds no light on the matter. Some of them 
>> will die of overdose and respiratory failure.
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> Note that heroin was first sold in Germany to cure young infant cough. 
>>>
>> Its illegality is one of the most source of finance of terrorism, and in 
>>> this case there are proof that the CIA have organized traffic. It seems 
>>> also that it is part of the reason the american have gone to Afghanistan 
>>> (to protect the field of Opiate-plant (Pavot, in french). I have verified 
>>> this, but

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux

2017-10-30 14:58 GMT+01:00 PGC :

> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> Right.
>>
>>
>>
>> In acute, severe pain they are often the only thing that works, and
>> denying them to a suffering patient is inhumane. In chronic pain, their use
>> is more controversial. Perhaps not widely known is that in a way they are
>> very safe drugs in that they do not cause end organ damage, unlike, say,
>> alcohol or tobacco.
>>
>>
>> Note that tobacco would be much less dangerous if people were informed,
>> and could have more choice. Since tobacco exists, it has been used orally
>> by many people, and today, studies shows that this mode of consumption is
>> far less dangerous than smoking it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Elephant-killing doses of fentanyl are used in cardiac surgery, and as
>> long as respiration is supported, the patient wakes up fine. The problem is
>> that some people (not all) enjoy the euphoric effect so much that they
>> misuse them, leading to tolerance, dose escalation and risk of overdose.
>>
>>
>> That is right, but seems to be an effect of its prohibition.
>>
>
> Then next time a person requires that kind of surgery, they can thus
> inform the doctor that a small salvia infusion and some chewing tobacco
> suffices for their analgesic needs before a scalpel is reached for? The
> efficacy of opiates is not merely an effect of prohibition.
>
> Assuming something severe like heart surgery, a work related accident, a
> soldier being exposed to an IED and losing a limb in a war zone... anywhere
> where high levels of pain are a clear matter, I know why most humane
> doctors today turn to opiates. Efficacy at pain management. Stathis is
> correct.
>
> In addition to their utility in surgery, it is a fact that said soldier
> with a lost limb, supplied with an appropriate dose of morphine, fentanyl,
> or one of its equivalents may not have their mortifying/traumatic level of
> pain disappear completely; i.e. the pain is still there but somehow, from a
> subjective point of view, *it matters much less than before the opiate
> was administered*. If pain is assumed to be nature's "argument of
> authority", then opiates are the best local god atm. This property is
> remarkable, useful, and well established. You could argue that some of the
> dynamics of prohibition are due to opiates' efficacy: they are so effective
> at relieving pain that people have waged war over their control/use.
>
>
>> In the city of Liege, in Belgium, they have made (two times) a three year
>> experience of legalizing heroin. You need a medical prescription. This has
>> confirmed that the best medication to quit heroin is ... heroin itself,
>> when cheap and medically prescribed. heroin then loose completely its
>> appeal for "beginners", and old consummers, not only get fine, got the time
>> to search a job, diminish by themselves the consumption, and eventually
>> most have stopped. Obviously, this is helpful for getting clean needles and
>> preventing AIDS. Despite this success, heroin is still illegal in Belgium,
>> for pure insane political reason.
>>
>
> What's so insane about the usual social dynamics of loosing face or being
> in office? Assuming you had a sizable bit of political reputation to
> uphold, would you risk it by switching sides on something that is clearly
> not decidable in public? Betting on your aesthetic preference for
> everything minimalism, you'd choose the path of minimal risk and uphold the
> very prohibition you flatter yourself denouncing.
>
> Because it's much easier to yodel conspiracy from the outside than to face
> the practicalities and admit the tension of two opposing facts:
>
> 1) Opiates are the most effective tools for pain management known, and
> their usefulness in surgery is well established, so we need them for now.
> 2) With chronic pain, it is often impossible to distinguish between those
> that are "truly suffering from consistent and/or worsening pain" and those
> that want access to the drug for whatever reason (which the Christians
> demonize because they loose subscribers). All copies state that they are in
> severe pain for true reasons in their history. Unfortunately, interviewing
> them in a thought experiment sheds no light on the matter. Some of them
> will die of overdose and respiratory failure.
>
>
>>
>> Note that heroin was first sold in Germany to cure young infant cough.
>>
> Its illegality is one of the most source of finance of terrorism, and in
>> this case there are proof that the CIA have organized traffic. It seems
>> also that it is part of the reason the american have gone to Afghanistan
>> (to protect the field of Opiate-plant (Pavot, in french). I have verified
>> this, but it does not obvious to interpret all data; need to pursue the
>> research.
>>
>
> By all means do so with a bit more rigor. This list is a place where
> wishful thinking is shared most liberally, but I do know that some folks
> read

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread PGC

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> Right.
>
>
>
> In acute, severe pain they are often the only thing that works, and 
> denying them to a suffering patient is inhumane. In chronic pain, their use 
> is more controversial. Perhaps not widely known is that in a way they are 
> very safe drugs in that they do not cause end organ damage, unlike, say, 
> alcohol or tobacco.
>
>
> Note that tobacco would be much less dangerous if people were informed, 
> and could have more choice. Since tobacco exists, it has been used orally 
> by many people, and today, studies shows that this mode of consumption is 
> far less dangerous than smoking it.
>
>
>
>
> Elephant-killing doses of fentanyl are used in cardiac surgery, and as 
> long as respiration is supported, the patient wakes up fine. The problem is 
> that some people (not all) enjoy the euphoric effect so much that they 
> misuse them, leading to tolerance, dose escalation and risk of overdose.
>
>
> That is right, but seems to be an effect of its prohibition.
>

Then next time a person requires that kind of surgery, they can thus inform 
the doctor that a small salvia infusion and some chewing tobacco suffices 
for their analgesic needs before a scalpel is reached for? The efficacy of 
opiates is not merely an effect of prohibition. 

Assuming something severe like heart surgery, a work related accident, a 
soldier being exposed to an IED and losing a limb in a war zone... anywhere 
where high levels of pain are a clear matter, I know why most humane 
doctors today turn to opiates. Efficacy at pain management. Stathis is 
correct. 

In addition to their utility in surgery, it is a fact that said soldier 
with a lost limb, supplied with an appropriate dose of morphine, fentanyl, 
or one of its equivalents may not have their mortifying/traumatic level of 
pain disappear completely; i.e. the pain is still there but somehow, from a 
subjective point of view, *it matters much less than before the opiate was 
administered*. If pain is assumed to be nature's "argument of authority", 
then opiates are the best local god atm. This property is remarkable, 
useful, and well established. You could argue that some of the dynamics of 
prohibition are due to opiates' efficacy: they are so effective at 
relieving pain that people have waged war over their control/use.

> In the city of Liege, in Belgium, they have made (two times) a three year 
> experience of legalizing heroin. You need a medical prescription. This has 
> confirmed that the best medication to quit heroin is ... heroin itself, 
> when cheap and medically prescribed. heroin then loose completely its 
> appeal for "beginners", and old consummers, not only get fine, got the time 
> to search a job, diminish by themselves the consumption, and eventually 
> most have stopped. Obviously, this is helpful for getting clean needles and 
> preventing AIDS. Despite this success, heroin is still illegal in Belgium, 
> for pure insane political reason.
>

What's so insane about the usual social dynamics of loosing face or being 
in office? Assuming you had a sizable bit of political reputation to 
uphold, would you risk it by switching sides on something that is clearly 
not decidable in public? Betting on your aesthetic preference for 
everything minimalism, you'd choose the path of minimal risk and uphold the 
very prohibition you flatter yourself denouncing.

Because it's much easier to yodel conspiracy from the outside than to face 
the practicalities and admit the tension of two opposing facts:

1) Opiates are the most effective tools for pain management known, and 
their usefulness in surgery is well established, so we need them for now.
2) With chronic pain, it is often impossible to distinguish between those 
that are "truly suffering from consistent and/or worsening pain" and those 
that want access to the drug for whatever reason (which the Christians 
demonize because they loose subscribers). All copies state that they are in 
severe pain for true reasons in their history. Unfortunately, interviewing 
them in a thought experiment sheds no light on the matter. Some of them 
will die of overdose and respiratory failure.

>
> Note that heroin was first sold in Germany to cure young infant cough. 
>
Its illegality is one of the most source of finance of terrorism, and in 
> this case there are proof that the CIA have organized traffic. It seems 
> also that it is part of the reason the american have gone to Afghanistan 
> (to protect the field of Opiate-plant (Pavot, in french). I have verified 
> this, but it does not obvious to interpret all data; need to pursue the 
> research.
>

By all means do so with a bit more rigor. This list is a place where 
wishful thinking is shared most liberally, but I do know that some folks 
read and interpret it literally and when I saw "Analgesic effect of opiates 
is a result of its prohibition" today, then somebody should beg to

Re: An interstellar asteroid has been found

2017-10-30 Thread ronaldheld


On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 12:25:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
>
> For the first time an asteroid has been found that follows a hyperbolic 
> path not a elliptical one, that means it is not in orbit around the sun but 
> is freely traveling between the stars. It's about 1300 feet across and was 
> discovered on Oct 19 after it had already made its closest approach to 
> Earth (15 million miles) which must have been on Oct 14. It will never come 
> this way again. 
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/10/27/a-space-rock-from-another-star-is-spotted-in-our-solar-system-a-cosmic-first/?utm_term=.2f342bf9bebc
>   
>
>
>  John K Clark
>
the object needs a new designation as it does not orbit the Sun, just 
passing through. 

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Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal



On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:03, Brent Meeker wrote:




On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The "Schedule One" notion does not make sense: to forbid research  
on something because it would be dangerous. Why not forbid research  
in guns, bombs, or car, plane train, I meant, except cannabis, what  
is not dangerous?


Did you know that the U.S. Congress forbids the Center for Disease  
Control (whose charter is to research public health issues) to  
research firearm related deaths.


I did not. That is so shameful.

Thanks for that sad news confirming what I said,

Bruno





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Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 Thread Brent Meeker

On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote:

I looked at that paper. It was statistically bogus.

I guess you talk about something else. That paper was written by
people paid by the US Government to prove that cannabis causes cancer,
but they found the opposite: it cures cancer (at least on mice for a
collection of cerebral tumor). You may look at:

http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html

You should look at the original paper, not breathless second-hand reports.

http://sci-hub.ac/10.1038/nrc1188

Anyway, that precise discovery,

It was anything but "precise".

and its extension on humans cells has been done again 20 years later
by a spanish Team, and belongs to the "mainstream":

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

It refers to cannabis inhibiting autophagy which may lead to cell death,
but not necessarily.

That is not bogus, and has been verified, and followed by many papers
showing that cannabis is indeed an excellent medication for many
diseases---you can look at:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/23/20-medical-studies-that-prove-cannabis-can-cure-cancer/

/Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibited tumour-cell proliferation*in vitro*/

I did verify some of those papers (some are bogus indeed, but many are
not).

Also, it is a false secret that the reason to forbid cannabis was
brought by a set-up. There has never been any reason to make cannabis
illegal. There are many good videos and books on the subject. I will
not develop this here. I can give references, including to the
thousand of papers which add evidence that cannabis can cure many
disease and cancers. Of course such research are not permitted in the
land of the free, and it is not yet that simple in Europa too.

There are plenty of pharmacological research labs outside the U.S. Are
you claiming there's a worldwide conspiracy to prevent curing cancer?

Brent

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