Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On 6/18/2018 4:44 AM, Steven Ridgway wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 01:25 Dr Russell Standish wrote: > "But presumably the argument is about certain cognitive skills which helped our species be extraordinarily successful, and also gave us the capability to understand

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 4:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 6/17/2018 2:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018, mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 17 June 2018 at 13:26,  mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net> On 6/17/2018 10:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: But the lens doesn't send one color to one photoreceptor and another color to a different photorecptor. It focuses a spot of light on several photorecptors and the one with the right pigment fires

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 4:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: It will take a lot of work under his approach, but I am not aware of any other system proposed by anyone, which even has a chance at this. Penrose's gravity induced collapse has as good a chance as Bruno's, and a better chance of predicting some

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 3:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Block time plus MWI means universes aren't created, they're all already there. *Seems like super-determinism to me. You're making a distinction with no difference. AG * Superdeterminism says you and a remote partner

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/17/2018 10:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: But the lens doesn't send one color to one photoreceptor and another color to a different photorecptor.  It focuses a spot of light on several photorecptors and the one with the right pigment fires its neuron.  So it is energy detection. But if

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Kellett < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch >> >> >> >> In the EPR experiment, a pair of photons is created. Each photon is

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 1:10:06 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:37 PM, > > wrote: > > > Oh, so now the expansion of the universe is effecting photon energy in a >> quantum experiment? > > > If space is expanding thee is no way a photons energy could not be >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:37 PM, wrote: > Oh, so now the expansion of the universe is effecting photon energy in a > quantum experiment? If space is expanding thee is no way a photons energy could not be reduced. Where did that energy go? It didn't have to go anywhere because energy is not

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:53:29 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:54 PM, > > wrote: > > *> If you accept Inflation, the universe is many orders of magnitude >> larger than what we can observe. How much larger depends on the model of >> Inflation one applies.

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 17-06-2018 22:42, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave function computable? If so then the result of MRDP implies it is Diophantine. Jason Or you could try to see if QM could be a meta-theory that arises when you try to give a statistical description of

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:54 PM, wrote: *> If you accept Inflation, the universe is many orders of magnitude larger > than what we can observe. How much larger depends on the model of Inflation > one applies. However, AFAIK, there's no persuasive theory that claims its > extent in space or time

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 11:46:15 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, > > wrote: > > *​> ​Does it split into two photons, each having the same energy as the >> original photon?​ * If so, where does the added energy come from. > > > It doesn't need to come from

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 9:55:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:14 PM, > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:33:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, wrote: >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 2:40:20 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 15 Jun 2018, at 12:33, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > > > On 15 June 2018 at 02:55, > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:15:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, wrote: *​> ​Does it split into two photons, each having the same energy as the > original photon?​ * If so, where does the added energy come from. It doesn't need to come from anywhere because we've known for nearly a century that in General Relativity energy

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> In the EPR experiment, a pair of photons is created. Each photon is in a super position

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 06:18:47AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Russell Standish > wrote: > > > I've been meaning to get this in publishable form, but time and other > > commitments have gotten in my way. > > > > > I (and I know many others on this list and

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 3:23:12 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:54 PM, > > wrote: > > >> What about it, what is your theory of decoherence and how does it make >>> the CI less dumb? >> >> >> > *Not that I'm a great fan of decoherence theory, but it doest

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:14 PM, wrote: > > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:33:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:33:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, wrote: >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, wrote: > > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:11:23 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, wrote: >>> > *No "but's" about it! That's the 800

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:41:57 AM UTC+2, Bruce wrote: > > From: dlb < bajl...@gmail.com > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 1:49:27 PM UTC+2, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: dlb >> >> >> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:20:49 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> *The single

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:55 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: >JKC has mis-stated CI. CI didn't say QM as embodied in the SWE was the > theory of the world. Bohr and Heisenberg both held that theclassical > world was logically prior to the quantum If so then forget string theory, Newton

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 6:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: ​>* ​* > *Superdeterminism says you and a remote partner could decide to use the > digits of Pi to pseudorandomly select angles of measurement in a Bell > experiment, then decide to use the digits of Euler's number. Yet somehow, > the universe

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:54 PM, wrote: >> What about it, what is your theory of decoherence and how does it make >> the CI less dumb? > > > > *Not that I'm a great fan of decoherence theory, but it doest includes > the apparatus, observer, and the rest of the environment in the measuring >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

> On 15 Jun 2018, at 12:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On 15 June 2018 at 02:55, wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:15:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:30:27 PM UTC, Jason wrote: Physical Theories,

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bruce Kellett < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> >> Maybe it just means that we don't yet fully understand the collapse. >> There are plenty of

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:42 AM, wrote: > > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> *No "but's" about it! That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room that Many >>> Worlder's studiously ignore. There's no

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:30:02 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, > > wrote: > >> >>> >> *No "but's" about it! That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room that Many >> Worlder's studiously ignore. There's no proposed mechanism to explain the >> copying! They will

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: Maybe it just means that we don't yet fully understand the collapse. There are plenty of possibilities that don't resort to magic. I

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:04 AM, wrote: > >> > *No "but's" about it! That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room that Many > Worlder's studiously ignore. There's no proposed mechanism to explain the > copying! They will appeal to the mathematics, which they rely on > uncritically. But it's obvious

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

The Davis, Matiyasevich, Putnam, Robinson (DMPR) theorem proves that the solutions for any general element of a Diophantine set is Turing halting, but that any other element may not be. This means the solutions to Diophantine equations are recursively enumerable, and there is a Gödel theorem

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

I think a lot of our abstract reasoning ability results from our being social creatures, and having to create mental models of other people/groups/tribes, etc. to predict their behaviors under different scenarios. To guess what they want, what they will do, what is likely to happen if this happens

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 18 June 2018 at 04:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: > > > > why

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 9:46:31 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On 18 June 2018 at 05:04, > wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 11:43:33 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> > >> On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

How is that any different than simply saying they are computable to arbitrary accuracy, in the Church-Turing sense. Brent On 6/17/2018 3:32 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: The Schrödinger equation is integrable for completely unitary systems. This hold for Hamiltonians that are complex or

RE: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 01:25 Dr Russell Standish wrote: > "But presumably the argument is about certain cognitive skills which helped our species be extraordinarily successful, and also gave us the capability to understand algebraic topology." I've always found it a bit

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/17/2018 2:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018, wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: >>> On

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: > > >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > > >> *​>​ **I have always regarded Bell results as paradoxical, or if you >>> prefer unintelligible,* >>> >> >> It's not paradoxical because its not self contradictory and its not >> unintelligible because the results are clear as a Bell (pun intended),

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 07:20:10AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > > > > 6. Most of all, theories of everything that assume a reality containing > > > all possible observers and observations lead directly to > laws/postulates of >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruce Kellett < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, < >> agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:23 PM, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 9:24:40 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 17, 2018, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 18 June 2018 at 05:04, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 11:43:33 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

> On 14 Jun 2018, at 05:30, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/13/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> Physical Theories, Eternal Inflation, and Quantum Universe >> , Yasunori Nomura >> >> We conclude that the eternally inflating multiverse and many worlds

Re: Is the Continuum Hypothesis a) really true or really false, or b) something else ?

> On 11 Jun 2018, at 18:08, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​> ​why in the world did you say " With mechanism, obviously a soul, or a > first person experience can be duplicated from a third person pov. But not >