Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/19/2019 1:39 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: So it seems reasonable, from both a scientific and engineering stance, that a synthetic intelligence approach - one that combines synthetic-biological assembly with AI information processing to produce outputs that are actually living things - is

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 09:05:27PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > That is an assumption. There are proposed cosmologies that allow for > an infinite number of computational steps to occur - IIRC, the "big > rip" is one such. > > > I don't think so -- the "big rip" would simple tear

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sunday, May 19, 2019, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 1:21 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:13:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/19/2019 12:19 AM,

Re: Precision

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:37:31 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 May 2019, at 09:04, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:13:37 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 15 May

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 1:21 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:13:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/19/2019 12:19 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 1:21 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:13:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/19/2019 12:19 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:50:03 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift

Re: for Cosmin

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:11:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 May 2019, at 12:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 4:44:48 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 May 2019, at 20:45, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:13:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/19/2019 12:19 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:50:03 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> No I can't *prove *we aren't simulations, or that a

Re: for Cosmin

> On 17 May 2019, at 13:00, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > "Matter" is an idea in consciousness. Even an experience, before becoming an idea. Bruno > > On Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:25:55 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But I say the old guys - Thales, Democritus,

Re: for Cosmin

> On 16 May 2019, at 12:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 4:44:48 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 14 May 2019, at 20:45, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:24:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 May 2019, at

Re: How separating mind from matter ruined mental health

> On 16 May 2019, at 14:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/16/2019 3:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 May 2019, at 20:48, Philip Thrift >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 1:23:22 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

> On 17 May 2019, at 09:41, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Brain itself is a virtual construct generated by consciousness. That is indeed a consequence of mechanism and its logic of self-reference. It is so precise that it can be compared with the observation. A brain, or

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

> On 17 May 2019, at 02:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/11/2019 11:59 PM, smitra wrote: >> On 11-05-2019 22:31, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >>> How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ? In the case of >>> consciousness <> AI, telepathy

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> I am well aware that there are huge sections of DNA that just repeat the >> same thing for hundreds or even thousands of times, but I don't see the >> relevance because if they just repeat the same

Re: Precision

> On 17 May 2019, at 09:04, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:13:37 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 May 2019, at 03:07, Lawrence Crowell > >> wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/19/2019 1:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: If a smart missile were conscious, It would be committing suicide. Like a kamikaze. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/19/2019 12:19 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:50:03 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: No I can't *prove *we aren't simulations, or that a simulation running in a big computer made of Intel Cores can't be conscious.

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 6:00 PM Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 05:11:20PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > > > > > That remains to be proved. Church-Turing is about calculable > numbers, not about > >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

You lie to yourself calling it "coincidence". = Only because you want social status and in your worldview, being a "rational materialist" is what gives people social status. Unfortunately, for lucid people you are just a irational dogmatic believer, so you have 0 social status. On

Re: Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ?

On Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:55:29 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > Did you? Have you not heard of synesthesia? > > That is of course a case of cosciousness unification. "Processing" means forming memories and drawing conclusions about action > (including not taking action). Mere measuring or

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 2:19:31 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:50:03 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> No I can't *prove *we aren't simulations, or that a simulation running >> in a big computer made

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 05:11:20PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > > > wrote: > > > >     On

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:50:03 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > No I can't *prove *we aren't simulations, or that a simulation running in > a big computer made of Intel Cores can't be conscious. > > > Nor can you give a reply to Chalmer's

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:51:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/18/2019 12:19 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/17/2019 11:11 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > >     On 16 May 2019,

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:51:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/18/2019 12:19 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/17/2019 11:11 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 6:09:18 PM UTC-5,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:27:53 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > > Bruno's work does not address this ultrafinitist case, as the CT > thesis is an explicit assumption. Except that the Movie Graph Argument > is supposedly about that case. > > Cheers > > Re:The Movie Graph Argument