Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Lawrence Crowell]

All of this is really special pleading --- nothing really logical or based 
on facts. I would like to think that humanity would put these silly 
childish things away, but I suspect it will not happen. People on average 
are just stupid. John indicated your name is female, and if so why do you 
support the idea of an infinite penis beyond the universe? At least in Iran 
it looks like they may be throwing this off.

LC

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 5:56:45 AM UTC-5 Samiya wrote:

> Holy Quran 27:60
> --
> أَمَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَأَنزَلَ لَكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ 
> مَاءً فَأَنبَتْنَا بِهِ حَدَائِقَ ذَاتَ بَهْجَةٍ مَّا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَن 
> تُنبِتُوا شَجَرَهَا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ يَعْدِلُونَ
>
> [More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the earth 
> and sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby gardens of 
> joyful beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the trees thereof? 
> Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who ascribe equals 
> [to Him]. 
>
> Holy Quran 27:61
> --
> أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ 
> لَهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ 
> اللَّهِ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
>
> Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it 
> rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas 
> a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but most of them do not know. 
>
> Holy Quran 27:62
> --
> أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ 
> وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا 
> مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ
>
> Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him 
> and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity 
> with Allah? Little do you remember. 
>
> Holy Quran 27:63
> --
> أَمَّن يَهْدِيكُمْ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ وَمَن يُرْسِلُ 
> الرِّيَاحَ بُشْرًا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ رَحْمَتِهِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ 
> تَعَالَى اللَّهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
>
> Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the land and sea 
> and who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? Is there a deity 
> with Allah? High is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. 
>
> Holy Quran 27:64
> --
> أَمَّن يَبْدَأُ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ يُعِيدُهُ وَمَن يَرْزُقُكُم مِّنَ 
> السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ هَاتُوا 
> بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
>
> Is He [not best] who begins creation and then repeats it and who provides 
> for you from the heaven and earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Say, 
> "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful." 
>
> Holy Quran 27:65
> --
> قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا 
> اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
>
> Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah, and 
> they do not perceive when they will be resurrected." 
>
> Holy Quran 27:66
> --
> بَلِ ادَّارَكَ عِلْمُهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهَا ۖ 
> بَلْ هُم مِّنْهَا عَمُونَ
>
> Rather, their knowledge is arrested concerning the Hereafter. Rather, they 
> are in doubt about it. Rather, they are, concerning it, blind. 
>
>
> On 02-Nov-2022, at 3:25 PM, Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:31:45 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:28 PM Lawrence Crowell <
>> goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > *Samiya argues a straight up case based on texts in the Koran and 
>>> does not actually think for himself.*
>>
>>
>> I agree except I think "Samiya" is a female name. 
>>
>> > there is no reasonable argument actually given for the existence of 
>>> God or Allah or any such being.
>>
>>
>> True, but rational argument really has nothing to do with it. People 
>> believe God or Allah exists because their mommy and daddy kept telling them 
>> that God or Allah existed since the time they were in diapers. Why else 
>> would there be such a strong correlation between geography and religious 
>> belief?  If nobody said anything about religion to children until they were 
>> 16 and had the capacity to think rationally (even if they didn't always 
>> choose to do so) there would be vastly more atheists in the world than 
>> there are today, and learning where an adult was born wouldn't help you 
>> much in figuring out what his religion was now that he had grown up. 
>>
>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>> 
>> unm
>>
>
> For myself, where I did not grow up in a fundamentalist religious family, 
> the idea of believing these things is foreign. Also, once one is "baptized 
> in the pure waters of H2O," or in other words deeply educated in some field 

Re: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[John Clark]

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:45 AM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

*> There are many voices in the pagan* []


*BINGO!* Once more Philip uses his favorite word right at the beginning of
his post.

> [...]  *according to the post below especially in WAMP-the-Ingrate*



Several months ago I said if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you
who or what  "WAMP-the-Ingrate" was, and that remained true until right now
when I read your most recent post, so now I know that "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is
a person and is either somebody called Mrs. Rosemary Rock-Evans, or Mrs. Samiya
Illias, or Mr. Philip Benjamin.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

wti

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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[John Clark]

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 6:56 AM Samiya Illias  wrote:

>Holy Quran 27:60
> --
> >أَمَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَأَنزَلَ لَكُم مِّنَ
> السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنبَتْنَا بِهِ حَدَائِقَ ذَاتَ بَهْجَةٍ مَّا كَانَ
> لَكُمْ أَن تُنبِتُوا شَجَرَهَا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ
> يَعْدِلُونَ [*blah blah blah*]
>


Samiya, have you ever written *anything* that wasn't about an invisible man
in the sky?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

u7y




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FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Philip Benjamin]

general_the...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational 
(scientific)?
[Philip Benjamin]
1Corinthians 14:10. "There are many voices and none of them is without 
significance..."
  There are many voices in the pagan world, according to the post below 
especially in WAMP-the-Ingrate. Social media and all media are more efficient 
than ever before for promotion of paganism.
Philip Benjamin

From: general_the...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Philip Benjamin
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 3:38 PM
Why should anyone be horrified by anything, anytime, anywhere?  Paganism is 
truly religion,   revelations and oracles from demonic supernatural beings 
included. The claim is the sola Scripture is that of Adonai YHWH Elohim the one 
and only One cannot be called religion. It is revelation, the Way etc. The 
revelation for 7-day week is purely an instance of  that revelation-not from 
astronomy or anything else. Sabbatical/Sabbath is the favorite of 
WAMP-the-Ingrate!  Philip Benjamin

From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:55 AM

Dear Philip

There are probably any number of things that would fill both you and I with 
horror, but not, it would seem , other people 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/horrific-detail-emerges-about-21-year-olds-dismembering-034849394.html
 and it has happened in Scotland and America 
https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/diabolical-stew-human-remains-graphic-details-highlight-start-mans-trial-parents-murders/2PEDTSOHF5HVJOE6N342NAUVZE/
 And religion appears to have made no difference. All I can say is that at 
least the police were there to ensure the person concerned was kept apart from 
the rest of us. And indeed the jury system was designed to ensure that 'free 
conscious people' did indeed decide, whether something was criminal.rosie
-- Original Message --
From: "Philip Benjamin" 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>>
To: "general_the...@googlegroups.com"  
: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
Rosie: "But who is the judge of whether something is criminal?"
The answer: Free conscious people!
From: general_the...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Philip Benjamin
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:23 AM
To: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational 
(scientific)?
Would anybody dismember a new born or a 5 year kid or a dog pup with a razor 
blade and clap hands to do that? Is that moral? Philip
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 2:03 PM
To: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational 
(scientific)?
Dear Philip

You say : 'People should be FREE to believe or practice whatever is not 
criminal or vulgar or obscene or indecent etc.'

But who is the judge of whether something is criminal?
who is the judge of whether something is vulgar or obscene?
who is the judge as to whether something is indecent

In Iran a woman was killed because she wasn't wearing a headscarf, ask why they 
have to wear a headscarf and the imam says 'because it is in a 1500 year old 
book'. The women don't want to wear head scarves, and it is clear that not 
wearing one harms no one, in fact the Vitamin D they have been deprived of 
might actually do them some good

In Jewish, Islamic and Catholic society baby boys get circumcised. Why? Who 
knows? Men clearly think they know better than God. But this operation is not 
without pain and deaths. Why do they do this? 'because it is in a 2000 year old 
book'

When people steal from me [and they have done] we supposedly have laws in the 
UK, that take the thief and prosecute him. But we don't. If I wish to retrieve 
my money I have to have the money to pay for a lawyer, a lot of money - £200 
per hour - so for the one law which makes sense, as theft clearly causes hurt, 
most people cannot afford
to enact the law.

Roman Catholic priests have developed an unenviable reputation for molesting 
childen, who, I am reliably informed, remain scarred for life by the 

Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Samiya Illias]

Holy Quran 27:60
--
أَمَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَأَنزَلَ لَكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً 
فَأَنبَتْنَا بِهِ حَدَائِقَ ذَاتَ بَهْجَةٍ مَّا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَن تُنبِتُوا 
شَجَرَهَا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ يَعْدِلُونَ

[More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the earth and 
sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby gardens of joyful 
beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the trees thereof? Is there a 
deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who ascribe equals [to Him]. 

Holy Quran 27:61
--
أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ لَهَا 
رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ 
بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers 
and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? 
Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but most of them do not know. 

Holy Quran 27:62
--
أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ 
خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ

Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and 
removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with 
Allah? Little do you remember. 

Holy Quran 27:63
--
أَمَّن يَهْدِيكُمْ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ وَمَن يُرْسِلُ الرِّيَاحَ 
بُشْرًا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ رَحْمَتِهِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ تَعَالَى اللَّهُ 
عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ

Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the land and sea and 
who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? Is there a deity with 
Allah? High is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. 

Holy Quran 27:64
--
أَمَّن يَبْدَأُ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ يُعِيدُهُ وَمَن يَرْزُقُكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ 
وَالْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ 
صَادِقِينَ

Is He [not best] who begins creation and then repeats it and who provides for 
you from the heaven and earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Say, "Produce your 
proof, if you should be truthful." 

Holy Quran 27:65
--
قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ 
وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ

Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah, and they do 
not perceive when they will be resurrected." 

Holy Quran 27:66
--
بَلِ ادَّارَكَ عِلْمُهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهَا ۖ بَلْ 
هُم مِّنْهَا عَمُونَ

Rather, their knowledge is arrested concerning the Hereafter. Rather, they are 
in doubt about it. Rather, they are, concerning it, blind. 


> On 02-Nov-2022, at 3:25 PM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:31:45 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:28 PM Lawrence Crowell  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  > Samiya argues a straight up case based on texts in the Koran and does 
>>> not actually think for himself.
>> 
>> I agree except I think "Samiya" is a female name.
>> 
>>> > there is no reasonable argument actually given for the existence of God 
>>> > or Allah or any such being.
>> 
>> True, but rational argument really has nothing to do with it. People believe 
>> God or Allah exists because their mommy and daddy kept telling them that God 
>> or Allah existed since the time they were in diapers. Why else would there 
>> be such a strong correlation between geography and religious belief?  If 
>> nobody said anything about religion to children until they were 16 and had 
>> the capacity to think rationally (even if they didn't always choose to do 
>> so) there would be vastly more atheists in the world than there are today, 
>> and learning where an adult was born wouldn't help you much in figuring out 
>> what his religion was now that he had grown up.
>> 
>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> unm
> 
> For myself, where I did not grow up in a fundamentalist religious family, the 
> idea of believing these things is foreign. Also, once one is "baptized in the 
> pure waters of H2O," or in other words deeply educated in some field of 
> science, these religious things sound like fairy tales. My point is that if 
> there were some strong evidence for the existence of some God, say even 
> within the confines of an existing religion, I might be all ears. So far, God 
> and various religious ideas about God all look like mythic narratives. So I 
> see no reason to entertain any religious idea as having existential or 
> ontological validity. 
> 
> LC 
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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:31:45 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:28 PM Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
>
>  > *Samiya argues a straight up case based on texts in the Koran and does 
>> not actually think for himself.*
>
>
> I agree except I think "Samiya" is a female name. 
>
> > there is no reasonable argument actually given for the existence of God 
>> or Allah or any such being.
>
>
> True, but rational argument really has nothing to do with it. People 
> believe God or Allah exists because their mommy and daddy kept telling them 
> that God or Allah existed since the time they were in diapers. Why else 
> would there be such a strong correlation between geography and religious 
> belief?  If nobody said anything about religion to children until they were 
> 16 and had the capacity to think rationally (even if they didn't always 
> choose to do so) there would be vastly more atheists in the world than 
> there are today, and learning where an adult was born wouldn't help you 
> much in figuring out what his religion was now that he had grown up. 
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> unm
>

For myself, where I did not grow up in a fundamentalist religious family, 
the idea of believing these things is foreign. Also, once one is "baptized 
in the pure waters of H2O," or in other words deeply educated in some field 
of science, these religious things sound like fairy tales. My point is that 
if there were some strong evidence for the existence of some God, say even 
within the confines of an existing religion, I might be all ears. So far, 
God and various religious ideas about God all look like mythic narratives. 
So I see no reason to entertain any religious idea as having existential or 
ontological validity. 

LC 

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