Re: Progressives and social darwinism

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
way. If we reinstates the Anti-trust laws that worked before, and took them further, then they wouldn't have as much influence in politics for Left or Right, yes? So why does only the Left support something like that? Craig -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whats

Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:41:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. Then we

Re: Progressives and social darwinism

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:47:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 9:27 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: There are no neo-Marxists. Right wingers are the only people who talk about Marx in this century. Craig, Really!? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: Progressives and social darwinism

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
I don't doubt it. He cut off one of his family for talking to Jamie Johnson in that Rich Kids documentary too. On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:55:15 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 9:27 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Buffett is vocal about the rich not being taxed enough

Re: On Income Fairness (income equality) in the USA and the world

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
You have it backwards Roger. the most unequal society will be one in which a single person receives 100% of the total income and the remaining people receive none (*G* = 1); and the most equal society will be one in which every person receives the same income (*G* = 0).

Re: Re: Austerity

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 10:51:26 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg A strong militrary strengthens the dollar. Ah, then the dollar should be stronger than then next ten currencies put together. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 10:55:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've given you. It is a parents job to give their kids what they can. If a person

Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:02:07 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 10:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've given you. I

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
/2012 9:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Wrong! Fear of those things that will kill you is healthy. This is why pain exists. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Austerity

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 1:08:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/17/2012 6:14 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Bankruptcy is the condition of owing more than you own. I think that in the position the US is in, Not even close. The reason other nations keep buying U.S. bonds at rates so

Re: On Income Fairness (income equality) in the USA and the world

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 2:40:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 1:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: My complaint is that conservatives just lie, and assume we're all as gullible as Rush Limbaugh's audience. When g=1 all the wealth is owned by one person. When g=0

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 4:41:32 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: To try to clear up my mistaken interpretation of the gini coefficient, namely that USA inequality is not decreasing, it is actually increasing, I find that the per capita wealth is also increasing, so let's see what effect that

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
How about this: Everyone gets their taxes cut in half, and then double that half is collected in addition but only by those whose total incomes increased and to the proportion that they increased from the previous year. Seems fair to me. On Monday, December 17, 2012 4:41:32 PM UTC-5, rclough

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 5:57:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Now that I know that Conservatism is based on preserving the value of fear, it makes sense that the arguments tend to jump unexplainably from hey, why is that one guy

Re: Progressives and social darwinism

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 6:05:22 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 3:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Hey! Try this example of modern neo-marxists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWCYAchd7E Boycotting a restaurant is Marxist? I would think that using free

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if even that) will be (a) those who want to cut the debt and (b) those who don't. That's what's happened to much of europe

Re: Progressives and social darwinism

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
that any one political system inherently produces more progress, once you factor out the bonanza of natural resources of the American continents. Craig 2012/12/15 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: On Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:37:03 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:30:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately from the public resources pay their share

Re: Re: On Income Fairness in the USA and the world

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:33:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Hal Ruhl So whbat ? Those gini coefficnets are in percentages, so USA has a gini about 27 %, which is outstanding. If you don't that, see from the wikimedia map (below) that the USA gini coeff. is about about

Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:54:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Govt never fails. Governments fail all of the time. The idea of American democracy was to factor

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition. And this means? What is the implication? That policies based on the assumption

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:56:43 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:13:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that corrupts; it is also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that supports politicians who vote to allow

Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likely to improve

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:47:26 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg http://it.stlawu.edu/~pomo/mike/kuznet.html The Kuznet's theory goes like this: when a country begins developing economically, its income inequality worsens. But after a few decades when

Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likely to improve

2012-12-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:09:31 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Did you notice this chart on that link? http://www.unc.edu/~nielsen/special/s2/hs12003a.gif There is no shade of black that is white, sir. I know you mean

Re: A Systems Theory Approach to the Mind/Body Problem (ver. 1)

2012-12-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:41:33 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: A Systems Theory Approach to the Mind/Body Problem (ver. 1) The Black Box theory of Mind as given below suggests that the mind/body problem may be expressed analogously as a system theory in which mental consciousness or

Re: A Systems Theory Approach to the Mind/Body Problem (ver. 1)

2012-12-31 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Technically, any signal can be expressed either in time or frequency, Do you mean wavelength or frequency? Time and frequency are the same thing. Cycles per unit time (or time cycles per unit

Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-31 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:20:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Dec 2012, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and Brian, Bigness can only limit physical entities (those extended in space), but is irrelevant with regard to nonphysical or mental entities, as

Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:08:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: A Theology for Atheists There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil. Enhance whose life though? Would slavery Good or Evil?

Re: Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:14:18 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg CRAIG: Enhance whose life though? ROGER: Anybody's life. Disinfectants destroy microbiotic life. CRAIG: Would slavery Good or Evil? ROGER: The masters diminish the life of the slaves

Steiner View of Hard Problem

2013-01-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dlBROdVjjI Same as mine, really, except I use the concept of 'sense' rather than 'spirit'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:05:15 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: The evolution of good and evil There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil. I can't really relate to cut and dried ideas

Re: Re: Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:29:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg So what's good for one may be evil for another. No surprise there. That's why an overriding referee or judge (God) is necessary. Why would the relativity of value necessitate some kind of referee? Any

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: ROGER: There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil. CRAIG: I can't relate to cut and dried ideas of Good and Evil or

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing for most people having some disease. Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people. Here the Evil

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:08:41 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have two

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:12:38 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1

Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:13:20 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are probabilistic. Why not? If evil and catastrophes are

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm. Getting smallpox is not evil, it is just

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 5:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy

Re: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:35:00 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Do you know anything about jurisprudence ? Only as much as you do. It doesn't care if your motivations were good or evil, it only cares if you broke the law or not. Did I contradict that somewhere

Re: What Hell is like

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:06:42 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg It doesn't matter whether you have good or bad intentions. The law and God judge us by what we do. You do the crime, you do the time. I'll let the Bible speak for itself, if that is the God you

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:53:56 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Tsunamis and other forces of nature are themselves amoral*, but their effects can be good (enhance life) or evil (diminish life). Are you saying that God is powerless to change nature? *Since God

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:44:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Sheldrake's been criticized in such a fashion for many of his results (there are a huge number of other types of observations) but I simply trust that he's not deceiving us. My reason is that materialists

Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:04:39 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Evil is not defined by law, but crime is. I ask again, Did I contradict that somewhere? [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] javascript: 1/3/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Re: Re: What Hell is like

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:11:29 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg All of your quotes are very good advice. What's your point ? My point is that any worthwhile religion is very much concerned with intentions and the content of your 'heart', at least as much as whether

Re: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:14:41 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If you jump off of a building, gravity will kill you. Is that God's fault ? IMHO since God created nature, he also created the natural forces, which cause tsunamis. God is lawful, so He follows his own

Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism--- habit computer

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: BTW my stichk is that consciousness comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both the megaverse and in each universe. Richard Why would consciousness come from discrete compactified space? To me, all

Re: Re: Re: Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:22:24 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Enhancing Life is not a very arbitrary value, I don't know about arbitrary, but it is a very nebulous value. What does the enhancement of life consist of? The growth of bacteria? The improvement

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 12:16:36 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:44:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Chemotherapy is generally thought to be evil to the cancer (it tries to kill it) and good to the patient (it tries ultimately to cure him through killing the cancer). While chemotherapy works against the cancer, on the

Re: Rupert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe

2013-01-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:14:15 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Rupert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe What is space ? Space is the experience of gaps between public presences, or alternatively the distance which can be measured of one object against another. There is no such

Re: Re: Re: What Hell is like

2013-01-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 4, 2013 3:09:11 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg You're right, I was thinking as a jew might, but if orgot that jesus introduced the concept of thought crimes (intentions). I was thinking as a jew might, lol [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 4, 2013 12:48:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 Stephen P. King step...@charter.net javascript:wrote: So how ever many years ago you there confident that CERN would discover the Higgs? About 15, and in not one of those 15 years would I have

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via a computer

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:43:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Subjective states can somehow be extracted from brains via a computer. No, they can't. The ingenius folks who were miraculously able to extract an image from the brain that we saw recently

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:05:24 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: That's like betting that the Catholic Church won't make Martin Luther a saint again this year. I don't see the analogy. I'm not surprised

Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism--- habit computer

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:10:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2013, at 18:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: BTW my stichk is that consciousness comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both

Re: The self-taming of the universe

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
I think that there is no literal field. Self-organization requires only a capacity to experience and effect change. When a car breaks down, there is no field of organization which is going to appear and fix it - the car is fixed by the sensory-motor capacities of the car's owner and nothing

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 4:28:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: You mean that physicists have been given 10 billion dollars to spend on particle accelerators (and comfortable salaries as well, among

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 7, 2013 6:19:33 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Sorry, everybody, I was snookered into believing that they had really accomplished the impossible. So you

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 7, 2013 7:24:24 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, January 7, 2013 6:19:33 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Roger Clough rcl

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:23:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Presumably the brain works with analog, not digital, signals. You are both missing the more important issue - signals cannot be decoded in the brain. It's tempting to think that is possible because we are

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:47:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is the long way around. No, it's harder because you can tell when you've failed. Brent It's not hard for me

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:24:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Even people who have no sense of humor can deduce that other people do have it, Would they if only 0.001% of the population had a sense of humor

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:37:47 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:36 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:47:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:27:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: unlike psi it would be easily repeatable, if one person who claimed to have a sense of humor laughed and said that was a very good joke

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:18:37 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, Cool. I actually would have agreed with you and a lot of people here at different times in my life. It's only been lately in the last five years or so that I have put together this other way of

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
The problem, in my view, is the term physical. *http://www.thefreedictionary.com/physical* 1.* a. * Of or relating to the body as distinguished from the mind or spirit. See Synonyms at bodily http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bodily. * b. * Involving or characterized by vigorous bodily

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: But in the end the magic of consciousness requires a 1p leap of faith. And vice versa.That's because they are the same thing. Consciousness is literally a leap across mechanism, computation, and physics. That is what free

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: But in the end the magic of consciousness requires

Re: Fw: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:06:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: I appear to be wrong about the aether, according to a physicist friend of mine, and the lastest physics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories Apparently the Michaelson-Morley experiment has been explained

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
as topological bodies. Integers and arithmetic operators represent the sensory-motor relations of public objects as private logical figures. Craig On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:18:37 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of intelligent and complex you want). A thermostat is much less complex

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:27:54 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:02:57 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript:wrote: So either there's no ether, or light has a fixed velocity. No, light has a fixed velocity with or without the aether, it's a experimental result

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 11, 2013 2:02:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:02:57 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net wrote

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:45:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: What we call light is a visual experience. EM radiation below the visible range is felt as heat. This means that the entirety of the character of the EM is defined by the receiver

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 11, 2013 5:45:19 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/11/2013 2:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:45:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: What we call light is a visual experience. EM radiation below the visible

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:33:11 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: EM waves and fields clearly exist in spacetime. How do you know that they don't exist in matter? Yet I would classify them along with quantum waves as part of the quantum mind and nonphysical. I don't see anything as

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:56:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist EM waves are physical and exist in spacetime. You can capture them with an antenna, etc. Does an Earthquake capture a wave that is independent of the Earth? From my view, the EM waves *are* the

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:34:37 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Craig, You sound like the ultimate flower girl, all touchy and feelie. However, yo might very well be right. Richard Mother nature's son? On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:57:48 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Roger, How can you have a wave without some notion of spatial/temporal dimensions? I don't see why we cannot have purely mathematical waves (easily related to lines

Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
- Physics - Chemistry - Biology - Efferent Motive - *Sense* -^ Afferent Feeling ^ Awareness ^ Consciousness ^ Cognition ^ Theology ^ Philosophy ^ Logic ^ Math - On Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:48:13 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Space and time may be a perception of the mind in the

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 7:06:57 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. How do you know there are gravitational waves? But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. Potential energy

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 12:11:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 05:34, Richard Ruquist wrote: That's because they don't consider that matter is inherently sensitive. I do. In

Re: A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 1:50:24 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: I speak of a 4 dimensional semi-infinite block universe that may be the universally accessible storage of everything that ever happened,, with calculations of every possibility for the future semi-infinity (in my

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
I don't really see much of a difference whether we talk about BECs, strings, charged geometries, vacuum flux, aether, numbers, or any other spatially structured medium. Who cares? The question is how does that begin to know about something and to care about it? On Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Re: Simple question

2012-05-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
Wouldn't it also sort of mean that you can't die in your sleep? Why do we keep waking up in the same life when we could just as easily jump to a different one? What if the experience of being completely asleep continued forever without you ever knowing whether or not you had survived your friends

Re: Simple question

2012-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 20, 1:15 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You only split when some quantum event gets amplified to make a macroscopic, i.e. quasi-classical, difference.  Otherwise Craig Weinberg is a somewhat fuzzy operator projecting onto a lot of slight different, but classically

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 20, 1:49 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: All free will means is any change made because you wanted to. That would be fine except I know that is NOT all you believe free will means because I know

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 21, 10:47 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012  PM Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Free means it is not imposed onto you. It is free because the choice was made by you. I have no problem with that and I have no problem with the word will; its

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 21, 7:44 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: In a branching multiverse where all possibilities happen at a decision point, some versions of you decide to type the sentence and others do

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 22, 12:49 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: In addition to approving of one presented option and disapproving of another, Approved for a reason or approved for no reason. right free will allows

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 23, 1:54 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012  Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:  Nominated for a reason or nominated for no reason. Wrong. I am doing the nominating. You are doing the nominating for a reason or you are doing the nominating

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 23, 10:05 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is obviously at least a small probability that you will decide to sleep under a bush tonight. Only because of how we have defined

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