Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-12 Thread John Mikes
: No, it's a reason to get rid of scriptures and pay attention to people and the world. John M On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: If this John is me: to keep my reply short

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread John Mikes
promises to help and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's guidance. Samiya On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya: I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao

Re: Review of Bostrom's Superintelligence

2015-06-10 Thread John Mikes
Russell, I spent more time on this 'Rod' text than on any other in a long while. It was intriguing that his Bostrom origins etc. were close to my intro-years (80-01) in the digit field. I worked 'intuitively' (in a different domain: in polymers) and was 'creative' - not by *random* invocation,

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-10 Thread John Mikes
Samiya: I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.) I

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-03 Thread John Mikes
This discussion-post approaches some better reality-case than most of the others. Reminds me of the Worldview of my wife: we are here by decree of some ZOOKEEPER as long as 'they' want something we provide (for them). We do not know them, don't communicate with them. When our 'usefulness' is

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread John Mikes
So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' John M On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Jun 2015, at 04:43, meekerdb wrote: On 6/1/2015 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness He doesn't actually say that

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, let me be rude, for an exchange: do you really think (and believe!) that you are a trustable advocate os God's will and wisdom? You never even justified your God's existence and activity (plans?) except for some threats against not believeing what you said. And I repeat: WHAT YOU SAID

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread John Mikes
(knowable, or not) as (my) *response to relations*. Everybody may feel free to identify *a* consciousness according to her taste and write accordingly. Including me. I do not claim a Nobel for my ideas, thank you. John Mikes On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:43 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-31 Thread John Mikes
it MY theology. Scope of 'physical law'? Looking back some millennia: it is a constantly changing view. Respectfully John Mikes On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 31 May 2015, at 04:13, John Clark wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2015M, Bruno Marchal marc

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread John Mikes
LizR: I find it funny if so many thinking minds on this list (and around the world?) take your *...You are simply assuming the truth of what you have so far failed to demonstrate. * seriously, YET the list continues in this endless self-assured worldview debate - some times even including views

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia errata

2015-05-25 Thread John Mikes
haphazardous formulation - I could have done better. John Mikes On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 3:07 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: OOPS. I meant ...randomly means NOT in accordance... On 5/22/2015 11:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: And note that in this context randomly means in accordance

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-25 Thread John Mikes
many of us can be really trusted with something so precious and so permanent? Samiya On 23-May-2015, at 4:44 pm, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya, so far I kept out from the 'opposition' and tried to comply within my own agnosticism. Now I get tired of all that fairitale

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

2015-05-25 Thread John Mikes
WAtch out, Liz! you are getting close to ask about PRIME NUMBERS, what may mean a totally different trap! John M On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 6:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies obviously you did mean finite. This is very interesting although probably too much for my brain at the

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, so far I kept out from the 'opposition' and tried to comply within my own agnosticism. Now I get tired of all that fairitale-discussion and ask some questions. LizR asked: *'Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do? * I start earlier:* Does God give any suggestions why we

Re: What is really real?

2015-05-21 Thread John Mikes
JohnC: WHATEVER YOU CALL R E A L . JM On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:38 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-physics-what-is-really-real-1.17585 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Theories that explain everything explain nothing

2015-05-16 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Colin. I just wonder why scientific observer? Your parenthetic Observer ( i.e. consciousness, IMO a respondent to relations) has nothing to do with (our) 'science' based on today's levels of knwoledge. I appreciate your excempting 'ourselves' (the human observer) from a TOE. Cheers John

Re: My comments on The Movie Graph Argument Revisited by Russell Standish

2015-05-15 Thread John Mikes
johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: How come we observe physical laws exempt from random occurrences? That's easy if the physical laws are statistical. For example a law might say that under circumstance X outcome Y will happen 80

Re: Theories that explain everything explain nothing

2015-05-14 Thread John Mikes
Colin: wouldn't it fit to call TOE - Theory of Everything WE KNOW ABOUT? or: Everything in our reach? I mentioned my agnostic views. Greetings John Mikes On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, colin hales col.ha...@gmail.com wrote: [image: ] Perhaps better All posited (so far) scientific

Re: My comments on The Movie Graph Argument Revisited by Russell Standish

2015-05-14 Thread John Mikes
and procedures explaining 'chaotic' unknowables of the past? Regards John Mikes On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 May 2015, at 03:20, LizR wrote: On 14 May 2015 at 12:01, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 01:46:49PM

Re: My comments on The Movie Graph Argument Revisited by Russell Standish

2015-05-12 Thread John Mikes
it 'random', 'chaos', or 'nondeterministic change' etc. etc. In many cases we cannot predict what will happen, because our insight is limited. 'Free will' is a good cop-out, the gods can even punish the 'willer'. Regards John Mikes On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Russell Standish li

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-12 Thread John Mikes
know how to think about larger cosmic volumes and timeframes. Regards John Mikes On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:55 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I believe satellites and weather stations give a lot of samples

Re: My comments on The Movie Graph Argument Revisited by Russell Standish

2015-05-11 Thread John Mikes
dilemmata we may call free will cases. Respectfully John Mikes On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 05:16:43PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2015 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Indeterminacy means

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-07 Thread John Mikes
leave for them. Have nice pipe-dreams John Mikes On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 May 2015, at 08:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-05-06 3:51 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-07 Thread John Mikes
LizR: My 1st impact to the 'global warming' fable' (1960-80) was: My termperature-records are incomplete about the years 30 million (billion???) years ago so I cannot formulate an objective opinion. Later on changed position, because of human industrial activities contributing to technological

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-05-06 Thread John Mikes
to get the degree. I may call it adjustment, not necessarily a cave-in. I still hold you in high esteem. Thanks for your post, I did not give up yet. John Mikes On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Colin Hales col.ha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:21 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com

Re: Translation in the Fourth Spatial Dimension

2015-05-06 Thread John Mikes
rectangular one) - and continue to build similars onto every 'point' of the newly established systems as well. That would point to the general number theory and it's new branches. Any lead to such? John Mikes On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:11 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/5/2015 1:26 PM

Re: quadratic voting

2015-05-05 Thread John Mikes
Quadratic, or not there are two things about voting: 1. The 'pre-WWII' Hungarian system (I am far from suggesting Hungary as a good political pattern) with 2 lists per party: one of the districts and one latent national for the leading names in the party. EVERY VOTE COUNTS: if somebody gets

Re: NASA breaks the laws of physics!

2015-05-02 Thread John Mikes
In our dreams, where we can span those million years of space travel it would need to reach those stars. Even with super-speed vessels. UNLESS one is willing to hybernate and automatically been awoken THERE to see what one really does not want to see. THEN? the same way back and when YOU(!) arrive

Re: A Beka Book and the Set Theory of Satan

2015-05-02 Thread John Mikes
the Scripts. So --- PEACE! John Mikes On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-01 21:32 GMT+02:00 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com: Dear Samiya, Bruno may be a 'believer' - even if not entirely formally - but your question is funny (in my views

Re: A Beka Book and the Set Theory of Satan

2015-05-01 Thread John Mikes
Dear Samiya, Bruno may be a 'believer' - even if not entirely formally - but your question is funny (in my views): * Bruno, what is your concept of God? ... * Accepting a 'God' concept in your (Quran extracted?) terms, such a concept of the infinite (some call it Supernatural) Creator,

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-05-01 Thread John Mikes
Brent: I think you mix up emerges with depends on. A procedure *emerges* from its origination, yet (may) DE*PEND* on equipment, energy (fuel?) - and a lot of (matterly) happenstance. The types of consciousness you people talk about indeed DEPEND on the mattery propagators as well as indicators we

Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy

2015-04-30 Thread John Mikes
How many people die for the conventional energy production? I would not believe the statistical figments. Are e.g. all those people included who died from diseases upon pollution from burning? Can anybody predict what kind of (Fukushima-type) disasters may occur in the foreseeable future and their

Re: Consciousness creates physics

2015-04-26 Thread John Mikes
Evgeniy, I, for one, like your approach on the Hoffmann-Prokosh idea. In my terms (Ccness = REPLY (reflection?) to RELATIONS definitely points to the Berkeley wisdom (to accept as existing one must perceive the item, in concise Latin: *ESSE* (to include into our worldview) *est PERCIPI*.

Re: Origin of mathematics

2015-04-24 Thread John Mikes
. Nor anybody else. Randomly yours (no random qgnosticism, however) John Mikes On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:02 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2015, at 08:37, meekerdb wrote: 2+2=1 in mod 3 arithmetic. If you change the game you change what can be proven. You can't keep the old

Re: Step 3 - one step beyond?

2015-04-23 Thread John Mikes
Stathis: I am an idealist enough (and an agnostic) to confess to lots and lots of so far undetected functions (maybe even components -- outside our 'material' --concept) that contribute to the functioning of a human 'brain'(?) as developed into by now. Scanning goes for known items, composing is

Re: God

2015-04-22 Thread John Mikes
together, definitely not restricted to the numberical terms. It may be also to add an animal, or plant to an environment. Real, or fake. Since the early 90s I participated on more than a dozen discussion lists, this one has exciting and lesser exciting posts and posters. Best regards John Mikes

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-21 Thread John Mikes
On 19 Apr 2015, at 05:13, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:57 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: pls. tellme: what should we call 'information'? Information is a measure of surprise, and it turns out that surprise is not continuous but comes in lumps. And we understand

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-20 Thread John Mikes
my conclusions from that mini-spot we 'live' in. Thanks for your remarks John Mikes On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:10 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -- *From:* John Mikes jami...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-20 Thread John Mikes
:06 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:57 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo, pls. tellme: what should we call 'information'? I agree with John Clark's definition. If you ask for a definition of surprise, I think that can be formalized too

Re: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization emerge again from a post-collapse earth?

2015-04-18 Thread John Mikes
Who said that our present 'civilization'(?) is a FIRST one? We did not dicover (leading) precursors, true, but such negative is no positive. In our scientifically based views our civilization evolved from scratch. How did e.g. the insect societies evolve? Did termites etc. have the technology to

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-18 Thread John Mikes
Telmo, pls. tellme: what should we call 'information'? if Brent takes a picture, is it - O N E - info only, or as many as re composed to be included in his picture? That would be zillions, depending how you count them. We are nowhere in identifying the terms we use in communication. JM On Sat,

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-13 Thread John Mikes
Liz: UK, or Sweden? Not only have they the different tempers - (Italians would 'react' differently) but try to be a pauper in Britain, or Sweden yourself and 'love' the system. (English story: Girly asks - 'Mummy, why is that gentleman lying on the curb?' Mummy: ' Honey, do not get involved in

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-08 Thread John Mikes
: do Shiates 'read' the same Quran as Sunnis? * On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: John, please see my answers below your questions. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:08 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya, please allow me one (two?) little

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-07 Thread John Mikes
the line of potential profets 1500 years ago, only 5 centuries after the previous one, when humanity MAY live for additional millennia(??) before the final judgement?) Apologies John Mikes On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: John wrote: 'Scriptures (all

Re: Histones (proteins that form the scaffolding around which DNA wraps itself may also themselves be involved in heredity processes

2015-04-07 Thread John Mikes
Liz: passed on - do you mean survives AS IS? I think whatever is added incubates into the complexity of the new creature into fitting, not 'as was' in the mother. And- I think mitochondria IS a cell within the larger one in symbiotic life. Chris is most likely right: FROM THE MOTHER only. And it

Re: Histones (proteins that form the scaffolding around which DNA wraps itself may also themselves be involved in heredity processes

2015-04-07 Thread John Mikes
Apologies: MITOCHONDRIUM - I S - and mitochondria -are. JM On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Liz: passed on - do you mean survives AS IS? I think whatever is added incubates into the complexity of the new creature into fitting

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-06 Thread John Mikes
6, 2015 at 12:11 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: *Brent:* *your line * *Communism is not a terrible idea - it works fine for families. * *i*s a cop-out. The discussion is not about some closely related peoples' lives, it is about a worldwide socio-economic political system - and you

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-05 Thread John Mikes
than me. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 4:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/4/2015 6:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: TELMO: I did not expect from you to point to the 2 centuries old obsolete and theoretical

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-04 Thread John Mikes
the owners (HA-HA) Thanks for your thoughts On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi John On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: TELMO: I did not expect from you to point to the 2 centuries old obsolete and theoretical exercise

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-03 Thread John Mikes
TELMO: I did not expect from you to point to the 2 centuries old obsolete and theoretical exercise of Marx-Engels (irrespective of Lenin's intermitted LATER speculations) as blueprint for a (still?) viable(?) political system. It never got further than a tyranny of 'leftish-sounding' slogans by

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-01 Thread John Mikes
And how many were massacred by the evil regime of Hirohito in China and the POW-camps (both genders)? (not to mention his war against the USA in the Pacific). The war in VietNam is an ignorance of our historians: Kennedy wanted to punish any 'commis' in general and ignorantly attacked the

Re: Economic inequality

2015-04-01 Thread John Mikes
Liz, do not forget that the 'lower' flat ~10% means 1000 times the wealth of the average family, the lately surpassed ~20% *2000 times of the AVERAGE possession of US FAMILIES*. (Example: a specialty worker with ~$50.000 pay owns a house and chattel - say $60-70.000 total value and a retirement

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-31 Thread John Mikes
Friends, you ALL are bugged down into 2nd rate argumentation. Russell had the only straight thought in his 2nd post so far (But his ideas come from Down Under...). We are in a fatal struggle facing every advancement (??) we made (and I speak in the name of the so called 'western civilisation')

Re: Something from nothing -- my attempt of derivation of a UTM.

2015-03-29 Thread John Mikes
it is not nothing. I need to go further to identify what I cannot identify. JM On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 3:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 28 Mar 2015, at 22:32, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: is an* EMPTY SET *indeed nothingness? Does it not include the * S E T * recognizing

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-29 Thread John Mikes
In one of Samiya's posts there was a remark on women - in the afterlife, not here - eliminating the gender differences after death. Here their tasks are family concerned while over there (???) they participate in the bliss of Heaven just as do Earthly males. I did not plunge deeply into the

Re: Something from nothing -- my attempt of derivation of a UTM.

2015-03-28 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: is an* EMPTY SET *indeed nothingness? Does it not include the * S E T * recognizing that it is EMPTY? nothingness may be the CONTENT of the empty set. Just as a singularity, which has borders to end, measures, characteristics etc.? Nothingness as empty set should be infinite and include

Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy

2015-03-27 Thread John Mikes
Brent and Bruno: your discussion (Not even related to the title of 2 different forms of entropy at all) lit an insight into my aging mind: My agnosticism is relative. I 'believe' (=have faith in) certain facets and exercise my so called agnosticism only upon them, e.g. existence (whatever that

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-27 Thread John Mikes
LizR: I am not so sure Big Business *has* the interest of their shareholders at all. It is the OWNER, the slave-driver, with enforcement, some of which allowed to participate in some profits as 'shareholders', CEOs, board-members etc. It is an advanced feudalism, coming from a more advanced form

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-23 Thread John Mikes
Bruno wrote: *The problem is that there are few people serious in logic, in QM and in philosophy of mind. **And defamation does not help especially in interdisciplinary field.* Which logic? (you mentioned the math-one) but I prefer common sense as we can understand it (IFFF!) these days. Then

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-20 Thread John Mikes
Before I had a chance to read the opinions of all these smart people about intelligence-related ideas (with inclusion of most of the mental capbilities the huamn-like 'minds' may produce) and dissecting those 'ideas' in due course, I started out from ethymology: intelligence ('is?) inter - lego,

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-15 Thread John Mikes
a different (scientific???) worldview. Agnosticism in my view does not restrict, rather free up the ways of gathering information. JM On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Mar 2015, at 20:59, John Mikes wrote: LizR: Consciousness, in my vocabulary sounds

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-14 Thread John Mikes
' - could not resist to starving. I accept your denigratory opinion rather than being part of a contemporary science - cheating/lying (theorizing?) based upon denied ignorance. Your humble agnostix On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:47 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 March 2015 at 10:39, John Mikes

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-12 Thread John Mikes
a 'better adoption' to some (still) incomplete view. I salute your it's possible. John M On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:47 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2015 at 14:14, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: No kidding the dinosaur and company was extinct in the midst of their utmost

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-12 Thread John Mikes
a point, apart from we don't know everything ? On 13 March 2015 at 10:20, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Liz: the only 'nit' I am 'picking' is agnosticism in the sense that we like to draw conclusions on the partial image of the existence (Nature?) that so far transpired to us

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-11 Thread John Mikes
That sure would mean surviving benefit - where does the term evolutionary come from and why? JM On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:30 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2015 at 10:55, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: LizR: evolutionary benefit?? if so, evolution tends to some end

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-11 Thread John Mikes
.) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:04 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2015 at 13:52, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: That sure would mean surviving benefit - where does the term evolutionary come from and why? Evolution is reasonably well described as the survival of the fittest

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-10 Thread John Mikes
Does Graziano's attention D O something? or is it just a thought-thing? On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:52 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/8/2015 12:17 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent, do you (or the authors) really think Ccness - as we use the term - a (deeply) HUMAN

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-10 Thread John Mikes
LizR: evolutionary benefit?? if so, evolution tends to some end to achieve. are we in the midst of pursuing some aim (goal)? Be YOU (or some smarter machine) smaart enough to find out what such final product/state/construct may be and let us jump on it! My ignorance (oops: agnosticism) only

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-08 Thread John Mikes
Brent, do you (or the authors) really think Ccness - as we use the term - a (deeply) HUMAN (or 'thinking' animal?) phenomenon? Are we so special? I came to believe that 'everything' (list, or not) is a wider connectivity than what we call 'living' (you may include plants as well) and is phenomena

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-04 Thread John Mikes
This and the next post of yours are classic. In the next one you cast doubt on our space-based worldview - I was waiting for the next step: the TIME_BASED doubt. * Bruno quoted Samiya concluding: *Doubt is the lack of faith!* - and I could not keep my agnostic mind from reversing this into:

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread John Mikes
Schoppenhauer? On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:39 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I am not sure what evidence there is for a creator, but even if there is such evidence that doesn't answer the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, I am always cautious not to hurt a fellow lister's feelings. Bruno is a bit mixed up with religion (uses 'theology', capital G in God, etc. etc.) so I do not question his 'faith' beyond what he disclosed already (I hope). I was always polite with your preconditions as well. Now that you

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-25 Thread John Mikes
Spudy, a condition of what??? and WHAT (great!) program??? what would you call 'electric' (not in 101 physix) with 'pulses(?) and 'gaps(?) in between? Mainly: what the hell should we call R E A L ??? Once you enter the agnostic domain (mind you: not SKEPTIC, which is - like atheism - based on

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread John Mikes
the FINAL result of such energy-dissipation as the Big Crunch (infinite entropy?). Don't take my word for it. Have a good day John M On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 11:48 AM, John Mikes wrote: Liz: any idea what - MASS - anad - ENRGY- 'may

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread John Mikes
Brent: I am no 'skeptic' I just seek some basis WHY to believe? JM On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:16, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread John Mikes
Liz: any idea what - MASS - anad - ENRGY- 'may' be? (not from the equational recourses based on the supposition of their 'existence' in science!) JM On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 7:05 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2015 at 09:50, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: This

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-13 Thread John Mikes
*Empty space is **the same as nothing.* No way! if it is a 'definite' space, it has borders and characteristics. *I don’t understand your comment, “It presupposes the laws of physics.” I don’t think empty space presupposes the laws of physics and I don’t think “nothing” presupposes the laws of

NUMERALS

2015-02-02 Thread John Mikes
FRIENDS - MAINLY BRUNO (it all came out from the French numbers). any thoughts why some numerals have specific names, others use composites? Example: (Fr:) onze, ...seize yet dixset etc. German elf, zwoelf yet dreizehen... same in English, Hungarian has composites above 10, Russian Italian etc.

Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point of view

2015-02-02 Thread John Mikes
Liz, while you are in the mood... I have a good maxim for freedom (don't claim absolute inventorship): when you are 'free' to do anything without infringing into the freedom of others. (Under the commis we formulated it differently: freedom means to feel free to do anything that had been allowed

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-31 Thread John Mikes
On Jan 29 2015 Samiya wrote: * Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and Everything Else that is or may exist? * Excellent proposal for a *DEFINING*. Now that carries a question: if you 'define God (Allah?) as the smartest and best Creator and Sustainer, why do you

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-21 Thread John Mikes
Brent, Telmo and all others 'consciousness' anchored members: It is an easy cop-out to say the c term is too complicated to be identified. If we want to use it we better knowWHAT we wnt to use. My definition is response to relations - another cop-out, because it is hard to identify RELATION (and

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread John Mikes
Kim, you wrote a lot of reasonable things except one: agreeable meanings of terms like 'democracy', anarchy, government, tribal- and set etc. I denied the habitual application of the 1st one, especially in Buno's term you mentioned: 1 head, 1 vote, since - as you pointed out - heads are very

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread John Mikes
, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2015, at 02:59, John Mikes wrote: Bruno asked: *What would you suggest in place of a democracy?* which is exactly the wrong question. A question is never wrong. Only answer can be wrong. (With all my respect, of course). I did not promise

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2015-01-09 Thread John Mikes
end up with a 'monster' unfathomable for our ongoing (naiv?) natural sciences. Do the gut-microbes THINK for us? and so on... B O D Y Best regards John Mikes On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human

Re: Democracy

2015-01-08 Thread John Mikes
for your reply On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Jan 2015, at 22:54, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, allow me NOT to copy your post (and mine!) just picking parts for reflections. Thanks for recognising my post. *Prohibition is enough to kill capitalism

Re: Democracy

2015-01-07 Thread John Mikes
to talk common sense. John M On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Jan 2015, at 22:55, John Mikes wrote: I published several times on various lists - including this one - my agnostic? stance about that *OXYMORON *'democracy' called so because the 'demos

Re: Democracy

2015-01-04 Thread John Mikes
I published several times on various lists - including this one - my agnostic? stance about that *OXYMORON *'democracy' called so because the 'demos' (i.e. all of us) cannot exercise 'kratos' (governing power) to everyone's satisfaction in the variety we represent genetically, mentally, in

Re: What do they teach them at school nowadays?

2014-12-14 Thread John Mikes
Life is endless: death, the end of it, is beond life's duration. I stil+l like the CIRCLE as the e pitome of infinity. Both as a model and as a merry-go-round. JM On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Well apparently... http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/infinity.html

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-08 Thread John Mikes
Hi, Bruno, do you have a short (reasonbly WORDED???) explanation for what you call ENERGY? I asked this question from several physicists and did not get an answer I could even follow (not: understand, of course). Math summersaults do not help. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-04 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: one of your tiny little aberrations: how did existence changed in your argument into physical existence? I argued that there is no such difference, since nobody can identify the term physical in unquestionable format. Just like the Godcreated Earth. JM On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Bruno

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread John Mikes
: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:18 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo: reasonable thinking. My wife Maria (almost as old as I am) had long ago her own ideas abou the zookeeper syndrom: we are kept here safe for SOME purpose *They* know, *We* don't. When we finished our usefulness

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-29 Thread John Mikes
Telmo: reasonable thinking. My wife Maria (almost as old as I am) had long ago her own ideas abou the zookeeper syndrom: we are kept here safe for SOME purpose *They* know, *We* don't. When we finished our usefulness it is out with us, as long as we are useful (unidentified) for THEM, we live.

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-29 Thread John Mikes
Richard: I enjoyed your chickenfoot reply, YET cannot subscribe for it's expansion to humans: GROUPS od humans seem to be more stupid than any level immaginable.; Well, that much for our kind. Respectfully John Mikes On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-24 Thread John Mikes
Play with words? OK with me. Just kindly circumscribe a measure of intelligence (including, of course, a definition of Intelligence you prefer). Am I 2.5 times more intelligent *than you*, or are you same *than me*? I still prefer the 'inter-lego' heritage, to be *mental* enough to READ between

Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy

2014-11-24 Thread John Mikes
Or: the MWI of my NARRATIVE; as in the Plenitude's infinite equilibration (more than symmetry) 'similars' get to close for an equilibrated comfort, the formed knots(?) expose some complexity (forbidden!) that dissipates as it forms, YET in the process form a (transitional - complex?) world -

Re: The Span of Infinity

2014-11-16 Thread John Mikes
Dear Russell, I try to be polite and smooth in my communications not only with you. Here a question emerges in my mind: how diffrent is your perception of the MV (and the arising of such VERY human connotations) from the concept of 'GOD in religious minds? Is the Schroedinger equation stuff

Re: Fish can communicate and UNDERSTAND each other!

2014-11-06 Thread John Mikes
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: John, Your explanation of communication of apparently 'non-living' bodies is interesting. Lately, I've been contemplating on a verse ( http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=22verse=18) which speaks of

Re: Do parallel universes really exist, and interact

2014-11-03 Thread John Mikes
not go for the highest hanging fruit? -Original Message- From: John Mikes jami...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Do parallel universes really exist, and interact Spudy: did anyone ever realize a contact

Re: Do parallel universes really exist, and interact

2014-11-01 Thread John Mikes
Spudy: did anyone ever realize a contact with those other universes, so you can decry a 'possibility' of such? Same for 'immortality': did anyone ever meet an 'immortal'? JM On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:23 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from

Re: Do parallel universes really exist, and interact

2014-10-31 Thread John Mikes
at the microscopic scale, and is believed to apply to all matter.) * 'Microscopic to what? to our human sizes? to the sub-Planck, or the galaxy-size extensions? Again my agnostic views: who knows what worlds do exist in quite different orders of magnitude from our habituel rulers? Just tasting words John

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