Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 6:26 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: thereby explaining a variety of scientific problems and refuting your absolute statement on what any god theory can/cannot

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/19/2014 8:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: I don't recall Bruno ever csaying if you don't believe in something then you believe in it. What he's said is that atheists defend/support/reinforce the same idea/conception of

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I like your use of the word calumny. An endless clash of civilization? Naw! But we do need to defend ourselves against the jihadi, and be able to retaliate, Piling more revenge killing

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:53 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Trolling? Applied to your posts that is high praise as some trolls might feel insulted. I respect their feelings in a free internet ;-) You don't provoke or inflame, you're just often

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Feb 2015, at 06:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 February 2015 at 00:15,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:45 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/14/2015 3:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/14/2015 12:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you believe in a source of reality beyond the apparent physical reality we find ourselves in now? No. I don't believe IN anything. I entertain hypotheses. Good. But

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:16 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 2:56 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: You seem to have a problem with Platonism as linguistic label, which I say because I assume you value critical thought and scientific method on semantic level

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/16/2015 10:14 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent

Re: Democracy

Concerning thread: Perhaps I'm wrong and everybody is right. Perhaps it's also ignoring some perceived set of mentalities that get us into these kinds of positions in the first place. Just remember maybe to have a good day whenever we can? And if we can afford it:

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But observation and personal experience never prove anything. Spoken like a true Platonist -

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:03 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/14/2015 4:57 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I don't see how uncertainty implies impossibility. If I'm uncertain it will rain tomorrow, this doesn't imply impossibility of rain for tomorrow. PGC It implies

Re: Democracy

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Also a fact is, depression has a lot of factors, the thing these studies point out is that there are more depressive states among heavy cannabis users. They do not conclude cannabis is the cause of the depressive

Re: Democracy

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Jan 2015, at 20:27, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jan 2015, at 16:55, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:40 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/20/2015 10:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were simply abandoned in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs about fundamental reality are at the

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape!

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: That is due to selective literalism, that you can do with any piece of literature or code of law, and conveniently blame it on the author. That's the problem with literalism though. It's always selective, when

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: This theologian stays true to more scientific attitude of ignorance in face of the unknown. Alhazen described his theology: I constantly sought knowledge and truth, and it became my belief that for gaining

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: This theologian stays true to more scientific attitude of ignorance in face of the unknown. Alhazen described his

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:02 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:35 PM

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Malign: Evil in

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 01-Feb-2015, at 1:57 am, Platonist

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 01-Feb-2015, at 1:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Kierkegaard complained about this with his own Religion, the Christians. Maybe all religions suffer from

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Where do I insult your faith? I should have phrased it as 'my expression of faith' and not 'my faith'. I do not say

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:15 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: One must question whether the motives were really “to defend our freedom”, when in fact the de facto result has been a serious erosion of individual liberty. At the very

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:39 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:30 PM

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:04 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/11/2015 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We can't criticize religions because the churches, with the help of the main stream atheist (of your type), does not want us to come back to reasoning at that level, yet. All

Re: Democracy

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 11:49 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: So I assume you have no argument here. You don't have any argument here... the drug market is owned by mafias in our shared real world, that's

Re: Democracy

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: But if you don't want to believe it... fine. What I say is that I'm relieve to be an ex canabis addict, and that over usage didn't help me at all and certainly if not the cause did enhance the problem... do what you

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:14 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I share that sentiment; western mass media seems to only care about loss when it is their loss. And, in cases, such as this recent act of terrorism, the reflexive Neocon clash

Re: Democracy

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/13/2015 7:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Really? On this list? Where? I read criticism of the NSA, of Obama, of U.S. foreign policy everywhere. There's a whole industry built around it on radio. That sort of

Re: Democracy

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jan 2015, at 16:55, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: But if you don't want to believe it... fine. What I say is that I'm relieve

Re: Democracy

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Fine, like I said believe what you want to believe, I'll stop the discussion on that subject here... What discussion? I thought I am advocating the free sale and use of windows. The psychiatrist, of mental health

Re: Democracy

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 18:20 GMT+01:00 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, then fine, believe what you want to believe

Re: Democracy

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, then fine, believe what you want to believe and cannabis is as good as anything... If you exaggerate anything you will get extreme results. I don't ask for distortion or faith. The flaw is obvious, even using such

Re: Democracy

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 19:01 GMT+01:00 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Fine, like I said believe what you want to believe, I'll

Cosmology from Quantum Potential

Cosmology from quantum potential Ahmed Farag Ali http://arxiv.org/find/gr-qc/1/au:+Ali_A/0/1/0/all/0/1, Saurya Das http://arxiv.org/find/gr-qc/1/au:+Das_S/0/1/0/all/0/1 (Submitted on 11 Apr 2014 (v1 http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.3093v1), last revised 29 Dec 2014 (this version, v3)) It was shown

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Feb 2015, at 13:30, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Bruno, are you familiar with the atheistic (so-called) theologies of Dr. Eric Steinhart? He's a bright philosopher from William Patterson University, is the

Re: Democracy

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 3:04 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/3/2015 4:15 PM, PGC wrote: with the latter ultimately escaping our capacity to sort and analyze. You mean their assertion of that is clear. It's begging the question to say it is clear. It's clear to

Re: The world's most environmentally friendly car

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:34 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Well of course laughing AT people you dislike is a classic bullying technique. And then you say oh come on it was only a joke! Yet bullies never

Re: The world's most environmentally friendly car

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:34 AM, LizR

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 11:57 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Ok... Well now everybody can see you as you really are, And I'm perfectly satisfied with that because that is who I really am. What? Chief of equine

Re: The MGA revisited

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2015 12:33 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: As I said, conterfactual correctness has very little to do with the actual conscious moment. That is given simply by the sequence of

Re: The MGA revisited

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 07:28:51AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: The ab asurdo is showing computationalism is incompatible with physical supervenience, not that it is true. In the end by being forced to accept

Re: The MGA revisited

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:17:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I have always disagreed with this. The movie+broken

Re: The MGA revisited

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:16 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: PGC - I think you may have skimmed over too much for me to grasp what you're saying. But maybe not. So does contradicition arise because you assume to start with that consciousness is created by computation, then show that it

Re: The MGA revisited

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:34 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: HmmmI'm not sure where I sit on that. I do feel like some sleight of hand has been pulled - not intentionally, of course. Perhaps the broken version might still be conscious, which means that ... eek. That's like saying

Re: The MGA revisited

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: PGC wrote: Why or how is anybody arguing that problem is generated or solved by how somebody feels about it? It's via contradiction/standard reductio: assume conclusion false and negation to be true, and

Re: The MGA revisited

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: PGC wrote: Why or how is anybody arguing

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:08 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM

Re: The MGA revisited

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:03 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 8:34 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:48:47AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I still don't see what MGA pumps intuitively and incorrectly, as you seem to assume that MGA is bad

Re: The MGA revisited

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:29 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:50:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK, but so you agree that MGA shows that if comp is true, matter is of no use, unless we admit that a complex experience like a human dream can

Re: Origin of mathematics

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:16 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote: Quote: Both the records and the mathematical objects are human constructions which are brought into existence by exercises of human will; neither has any transcendental existence. Both

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 16 April 2015 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 15 April 2015 at 10:15, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 16 Apr 2015, at 06:34, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 16 April 2015 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett bhkell

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Aug 2016, at 22:39, Brent Meeker wrote: > > >> >> On 8/2/2016 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> Not at all. The existence of the computations is an elementary >>> metatheorem about Robinson Arithmetic, and

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 03 Aug 2016, at 21:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > > >> >> On 8/3/2016 7:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 02 Aug 2016, at 20:52, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 8/2/2016 6:15 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: Holiday Exercise

In the fictional realm of art, where everything is a lie and the winning theory is the yummiest, all these things: cleopatra personhood intertwinedity river of thought are easily fusionated by some guy and girl playing Joni songs for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrBilBQ1C54

Re: Holiday Exercise

The bickering levels reach a fever pitch and the two teams haven't even reached consensus concerning their status as teams at all in the first place. Then there are the heretics that question not only the match but game theory as well. But the drug is too hard to resist: to bicker... once more...

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

What if John does not want to engage with the argument? Shouldn't it be his right to say "no"? I'm arriving at the conclusion that his constant replies, negative + insulting as they are, are actually on par with the weird impatient expectation by you guys "that he should just answer in the

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 Aug 2016, at 15:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 5/08/2016 10:11 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On 5/08/2016 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> Just tell me if you are OK with question 1. The Helsinki guy is

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