Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 July 2014 06:50, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Platonist Guitar

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:51 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 July 2014 07:17, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/12/2014 1:23 AM, LizR wrote: Brent, You left me hanging a week or so ago, and never got back to me about something I'm interested in finding out more about.

Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Telmo, In light of recent nationalist spikes and troughs on the list, heartfelt German apologies for the aggression of our country towards the Portuguese speaking population of our pale blue dot.

Re: Apologies to Telmo

2014-07-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations. This message beats any level of politically correct sickness in this self-help group. I will concede that the self-help group remark was funny. 2014-07-09 6:10 GMT+02:00 Platonist Guitar

Re: Re: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:38 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Well, my question is, are you automatically, dismissing jihadi terrorism as a chimera, a false threat, a non-issue? http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/06/how-scared-of-terrorism-should

QM and oil droplets

2014-07-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi all, I would like to know what people here make of this... http://www.wired.com/2014/06/the-new-quantum-reality Cheers Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: Speaking of free speech...

2014-07-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:52 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 July 2014 23:05, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see how the university can stop the student union from banning things if they want to, I

Re: Speaking of free speech...

2014-07-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
it. Never thoght I'd be holding that up as an example of moral rectitude...) On 1 July 2014 00:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: This seems to be a student union thing. Maybe the university should intervene and ban the student union from banning things. It probably

Re: Speaking of free speech...

2014-06-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
This seems to be a student union thing. Maybe the university should intervene and ban the student union from banning things. It probably will, for the sake of it's own reputation. I can't help but desire that the university does not intervene, though. It is perhaps more instructive to let the

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
different things. Even the dubious nuclear power of North Korea is sufficient to let them get away with total insanity. I'm sure Europe is safe, given the real nuclear power of France, the UK and all the US military bases around. Cheers, Telmo. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think WW2. Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth willing to the max. Nuanced responses became quite popular after WW2

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:58 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2014 02:17, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The expression war on terror is already suspicious in that regard. Terrorists can only applaud. What an advertizing on their cause and methods. It always struck me

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
standards, here we come! On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I have to say, I

Re: American Intelligence -- Thinking about Thinking

2014-06-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/25/2014 2:07 AM, Kim Jones wrote: Muslims accept Christians and Jews as 'people of the book'. They consider that Islam is merely the latest edition of the same book or religion. Not merely the latest but THE LAST.

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
I have to say, I find it a bit silly when people identify too much with their nationality (or profession, or gender...) to the point that they get offended when a generic remark is made. It is fairly obvious that Kim is not suggesting that Chris or Brent or any other specific American in this

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I have to say, I find it a bit silly when people identify too much with their nationality (or profession, or gender

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:31 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: most people can't juggle 5 balls. A few people can, but nobody thinks they are creative because of it. I think you'd have to admit that all

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 17 Jun 2014, at 10:02 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:20 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: OK fine, but can you find the exact solutions to differential equations better than Mathematica? I don't think so. Not me personally,

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that yet. Kim, what do you think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Democracy

2014-06-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/15/2014 3:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:32 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo: I am a multilinguist (similar to you I suppose) and consider the word 'democracy' as the rule

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:27 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 June 2014 03:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their language. I was also

Democracy

2014-06-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
. One more request: could we mark this discussion AWAY from a bouncing back Pluto? Regards John Mikes On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: The inconceivable freedom is in your heart, but give time to time, You are right and I'll shut up now :) Please don't shut up! As long as we stay polite the fun

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Jun 2014, at 15:41, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: The inconceivable freedom is in your heart

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 8:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/13/2014 6:41 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: The inconceivable freedom is in your heart

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
The inconceivable freedom is in your heart, but give time to time, You are right and I'll shut up now :) Thanks Telmo. it is not that easy when we are two, saying nothing about three and more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Jun 2014, at 13:00, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jun 2014, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: The dream thing is intriguing because I am sometimes fascinated by things my visual cortex kicks out, often, before sleep comes. Ultra intricate and non-retrievable patterns, images, songs

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jun 2014, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I do know

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I do know what I am criticizing, and view Marx and Engels claims in Manifesto, and Das Kapital as nothing more than deliberate lies to

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:21 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 22:30, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I do

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
, Anders Breivik sought to punish race-traitors, and the Socialist Party summer camp, Telmo. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 7:05 am Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
voter population? Is it a numbers' game indeed? John M On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/4/2014 3:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jun 6, 2014 7:23 am Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:11 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I shan't

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Jun 2014, at 13:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: Dopamine is not justice, Sure. Justice is a superstition. Then truth, beauty, and all protagorean virtues becomes superstition. I might be out of context, but I

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's when people post directly via googlegroups and not via their email client ? That would be my bet too. I get spudboy100 via Everything List on gmail, which probably has privileged information because it's also

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on paper formulas and automatic mechanisms. without that unenforceable set of values and compromises, a constitutional

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: No death

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 June 2014 22:43, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: That is the great flaw of constitutional systems

Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
The famous Gödel Loophole on the US constitution. Seems to be the usual logician trick: apply a statement to itself :) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2010183 Best, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: No death penalties. I am not sure I agree, but if this is the goal, then things need to be done really differently. Hum? Check this out:

Re: numenta

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Jun 2014, at 19:37, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:24 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: http://numenta.org/ An organization formed by Jeff Hawkins (inventor of the Palm Pilot) to study

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
secular? Is this not true of all states? Telmo. 2014-06-03 11:32 GMT+02:00, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: The famous Gödel Loophole on the US constitution. Seems to be the usual logician trick: apply a statement to itself :) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id

Re: numenta

2014-06-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:24 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: http://numenta.org/ An organization formed by Jeff Hawkins (inventor of the Palm Pilot) to study artificial intelligence. Hawkins idea is that lower level modules in the brain continually try to predict what signals they

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 29-May-2014, at 7:56 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes te

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:50 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a book, and several people for drawing Mohammed. When I was living in Paris, the building of a small publication was bombed for publishing a drawing of

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:12:56AM +1200, LizR wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/21/2014 3:44 PM, LizR wrote: Yes, I was indeed thinking of the superhero Bicycle Repair Man when I wrote that. However I'm not so keen on deifying the Wright brothers when they were just two in a long line of people

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/21/2014 3:44 PM, LizR wrote: Yes, I was indeed thinking of the superhero Bicycle Repair Man when I wrote that. However I'm not so keen

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 May 2014, at 16:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/21/2014 3:44

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:54 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/22/2014 4:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Science: the method is all about generating hypothesis and testing them. Generating hypothesis is a creative process, and I don't think that academia was ever a particularly

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-05-21 11:08 GMT+02:00, LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 21 May 2014 20:50, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: All these fanfarres and grandiloquent terms that sanctifies the holiness of science are

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:13 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:35:47 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM,

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.comwrote: John Clark I plan to save your e-mails and maybe I will read some of them to the audience if and when it turns out that I am correct and am awarded the Nobel prize in Physics. Glory for the winner, humiliation

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:05 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 May 2014 07:16, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? I don't know, but I would think not, because comp allows reality to be digitised at any level (e.g. sub atomic) which wouldn't

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an engineering viewpoint. What does it take to make a conscious machine and what are the

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke

Re: Rat Park

2014-05-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com *Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain* On 14 May 2014, at 11:22 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/ -- You received

Re: Rat Park

2014-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 01:51:06PM +1200, LizR wrote: That's odd. I found it easy to read (the size of the images adjusted to fill my browser window, so if it was too small I could expand the window) and my mouse

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 May 2014, at 09:36, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 16:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 16:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 May 2014, at 12:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj

Rat Park

2014-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.comwrote: Agree. Very odd to make the statement Since lossy integration would necessitate continuous damage to existing memories appear to be so controversial that it necessitates the move to a theory of lossless integration.

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 May 2014, at 12:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess one could start from is physics computable? (As Max Tegmark discusses in his book, but I

Re: An interview based on Christopher Hitchen's book (parts 1 and 2)

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
Nice. I am not a Marxist but I respect intellectually honest Marxists. He show intellectual honesty many times, for example when he states that the anti-globalist movement is conservative. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy Paxman talking to Christopher

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 22:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:45:32 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: Any theory that stand over non intelligent axioms has to accept an infinity of multiverses, That may be refined, taking into account information=0 etc, but I will not go further on that. I would say that the

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona agoc...@gmail.comwrote: In this -single universe- context, the fine tuning of the physical

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:48 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 20:19, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:46 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 07:38, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Yes, and this already happened. I

Re: The British Comedian's Joke

2014-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 01:09:47PM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:49 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: The late Bob Monkhouse was way before my time and never trendy. But aft er he died

Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)

2014-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:46 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 07:38, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Yes, and this already happened. I would add that capitalism is not catching up with anything because it doesn't even exist at the moment. The money supply itself

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:48 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 13:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It creates a parallel medium of exchange in which those who make bitcoins first hope to profit from their appreciation. Hm. It all sounds a bit Ponzi-like to me. If

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-05 10:30 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:48 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 13:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It creates a parallel

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
, so it's if it was. I don't see consciousness as inherent to human beings. I am fully convinced that higher animal, at least, are conscious just like us. Telmo. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 21:18, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15

Re: The British Comedian's Joke

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:49 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: The late Bob Monkhouse was way before my time and never trendy. But aft er he died they looked at his jokes, which were just simple and so funny they decided he was a genius. Here is one of his jokes that makes me laugh every time: He's

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:15 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:14:59 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 4 May 2014 07:22, spudboy100 via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com wrote: I shan't defend the behaviors of the Abe religions over the centuries, but you couldn't

saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi ghibbsa, On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:09:10 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:15 AM, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:14:59 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 4 May 2014 07:22, spudboy100 via

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 01:14, LizR wrote: On 4 May 2014 07:22, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I shan't defend the behaviors of the Abe religions over the centuries, but you couldn't

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
from contemplating how much we don't know, bad ones come from pretending we know what we don't. Cheers, Telmo. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.auwrote: On 2 May 2014, at 6:05 pm

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 2 May 2014, at 6:05 pm, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 02-May-2014, at 11:03 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/1/2014 9:08 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Proof is the domain of science.

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:48 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/28/2014 3:32 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:12:34 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:12:34 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Apr 2014, at 21:15, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bruno

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Apr 2014, at 21:15, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Apr 2014, at 19:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 6:38 PM, 'Chris de

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