Re: centering prayer

2013-01-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, It's not going to work, but it's very nice of you to try to save me since you believe in it. My in-laws do the same :) On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes There is also something called centering prayer, which Christians

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: It's a fascinating idea. Groups selection seems to be a controversial issue with biologists, but it makes sense to me that evolution could work at the colony level

Re: meditation

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Telmo, On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi

Re: meditation

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, Roger Clough wrote: I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the links of consciousness to the noise of the brain, suggesting that Cs is not a product of the brain, rather the reverse.

Re: meditation

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 17:22, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Telmo, On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, I was thinking about

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
and where and when they do not, (Capitalist Sub-Saharan Africa) Sub-Saharan Africa is not capitalist, it's a mix of feudalism and anarchy. Capitalism requires private ownership rights. These only exist if an effective judicial system and police are in place so that contracts are enforced.

Re: meditation

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
Dear Bruno and Stephen, On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the

Re: meditation

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
Dear Dan, On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:41 PM, freqflyer07281972 thismindisbud...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Telmo, With my recent post fresh in my mind, I think I can engage with you a bit on the meaning and purpose of meditation. I think the main point of meditation is to see 'what is' for

Re: Big Bang is the simplest possible state?

2013-01-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Dear Bruno and Stephen, On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The big bang remains

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case. The problem in the USA, though, is the in(famous) military-industrial complex. Powerful corporations profit incredibly from war. That's the wrong

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05:28 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5,

Re: On military spending

2013-01-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
as a job. E.g: scientific research, art, etc. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-01-28, 07:24:11 *Subject:* Re: Re: The fairness argument and women

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, I find it harder to believe in finite universes. Why the precise number, whatever it is? On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stephen P. King It's easier to believe in salvation through faith or UFOs than infinite universes. -

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:18:25 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05:28 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:

Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, In the one universe model, where does the extra computational power of quantum computers come from? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes IMHO more than one universe is unjustified. - Receiving the following content

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, a quantum has infinite paths available between points A and B without invoking another

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-02-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: What's an entity? Any system whose canonical description can be associated with some kind of fixed point theorem. Ok, do you figure that a human being can

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 01 Feb 2013, at 09:46, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 8:39 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/1/2013 12:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, I don't really understand how people can object to the idea of physical/mechanical intelligence now that we live in a world where we're surrounded by it. Google searches, computers that can beat the best human chess player, autonomous rovers in Mars, face recognition, automatic stock

Re: Big Bang is the simplest possible state?

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/27/2013 6:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Dear Bruno and Stephen, On Sun, Jan 27

Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Agreed, computers can be, or at least seem to be, intelligent, but they are slaves to mathematical codes, which are not material. A turing machine is not material, it is an idea. Ok

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 6:05:53 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I don't really understand how people can object to the idea of physical/mechanical intelligence now that we live in a world where we're

Re: Big Bang is the simplest possible state?

2013-02-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 2/2/2013 6:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/27/2013 6:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P

Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:11:17 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Feb 2013, at 16:42, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I would think that each universe provides its own distinctive context to any

Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, February 4, 2013 9:59:09 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:11:17 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Again, why the triad is necessary-- 1p, 2p, and 3p as types of knowledge

2013-02-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, 1p/3p is a label for a very specific idea. You might disagree with the idea, and that's fine, but it's useful to label ideas so that we know what we're talking about. Otherwise how can you tell us that you disagree with it? If you succeed in forcing 2p in there, you effectively end up

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Feb 2013, at 11:28, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 01 Feb 2013, at 09:46, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Feb 2013, at 11:28, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Marchal

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:49 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I'm not claiming that intelligence == mind. Do you believe that your fellow human beings have minds? If so why? Yes (weakly). Occam's razor. If I'm

Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
— *em·u·la·tive* *adjective* — *em·u·la·tive·ly* *adverb* - Receiving the following content - *From:* Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-02-04, 17:07:32 *Subject:* Re: context, comp, and multiverses On Mon, Feb 4

The varieties of scientific experience

2013-02-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi all, Here's a blog post that I think people in this mailing list may find interesting: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2012/08/30/the-varieties-of-scientific-experience/ Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe

Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Feb 2013, at 12:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Feb 2013, at 14:14, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno, The definitons of simulation

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: I'm not claiming that intelligence == mind. Do you believe that your fellow human beings have minds? If so why? Yes (weakly). You

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/7/2013 3:52 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: I'm not claiming

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:00:17 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:49 PM, John Clark johnk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I'm

Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Feb 2013, at 18:02, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Feb 2013, at 12:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bruno Marchal

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/7/2013 3:52 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM, John Clark johnkcl

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Quentin

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Quentin

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/8/2013 3:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Well, while going from Telmo to the cat, you're rigth that Telmo memories should be erased, the inverse is not true. Why couldn't you be back as Telmo + the memories of having

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Quentin

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/8/2013 2:14 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My point is that the only possible write algorithm that doesn't read information that is already stored is one that starts writing at random in any position. You could erase

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Feb 2013, at 13:45, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:53 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: So if Watson isn't intelligent he's something better than intelligent. It is competent in jeopardy. And the enormously impressive thing about

The LSD Thumbprint

2013-02-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
What's it like? - It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except maybe DEATH. What did you see? - ALL What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.fr/2011/07/massive-dosing-lsd-thumbprint.html -- You received this

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:49 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/12/2013 2:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I don't know what sort of computer your typed you post on but by 1997 standards it is almost certainly a supercomputer, probably the most powerful supercomputer in the world. I'll

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: So far, nobody has been able to figure out a learning algorithm as generic as the one our brains contains. The developers of Watson have come very close

Re: “The brain is not computable and no engineering can reproduce it,”

2013-02-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 18, 2013 9:30:49 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: There is no argument presented in this article. The stock market and brain and indeed most natural systems are chaotic, but that is not the same as

Re: “The brain is not computable and no engineering can reproduce it,”

2013-02-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:02:36 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 18, 2013 9:30:49 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
I hope you are not talking about TOE derived at Dino-time, or later. (BTW: was a neuron of a dino bigger than that of today's mouse? With what size atoms? I asked this questions from many bio-people over the past 50 years - no answer so far. Maybe the Savants of this list can answer it?) I'm

Re: Fw: [Mind and Brain] News: Brain-to-brain interface allows transmission oftactile and motor information between rats

2013-03-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
I was going to send that article to annoy Craig but then decided to leave him in alone :) On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: - Have received the following content - *Sender:* Robert Karl Stonjek ston...@ozemail.com.au *Receiver:*

Re: Ectopic Eyes Experient: Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes.

2013-03-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 4, 2013 11:27:21 PM UTC-5, Pierz wrote: Really Craig? It invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes? I'm sure the researchers would be astonished at such a wild conclusion. All the

Re: Ectopic Eyes Experient: Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes.

2013-03-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 8:39:37 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 4, 2013 11:27:21 PM UTC-5, Pierz wrote:

Re: Ectopic Eyes Experient: Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes.

2013-03-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Mar 2013, at 19:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:45:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Mar 2013, at 08:43, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Pierz

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
Alex Trebek: This tool can unclog a toilet. Watson: What is a plunger? Telmo Menezes: look Watson, I have a problem. My wife is mad at me and I don't know why. I suspect it's because I didn't buy her flowers for Valentine's, but she keeps telling me that she doesn't want them. Can you give me

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Stephen, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. That's an excellent question. I suspect a scheme might not be necessary to infer the presence of meaning, but what I'm going to say is very empirical. Suppose a

Re: My genealogy is now online

2013-03-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
Could you discuss this in private please? On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Fascinating Roger, I find it interesting that the names Bristol and Beecher were passed down through the generations, one a remembrance of where we came from and the other a

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 07:39:44PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Roger, On 18 Mar 2013, at 12:48, Roger Clough wrote: Since mind is an MQS or Multiple Quantum Superposition, it can process information at the

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 16:52, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 07:39:44PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Roger, On 18 Mar 2013

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 17:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 16:52, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Russell Standish

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, Thanks for this. On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo-science. I find this disturbing because they are just proposing hypothesis based on experience. One can

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:20 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but he writes papers and collects experimental results. Maybe he's lying, and maybe other

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2013 3:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013 5

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
John, You seem to have a unusual fondness for losers and being on the wrong side of history, so I would suggest you just keep going on your present course, although a tad more interest in astrology and flying saucers and bigfoot and creationism wouldn't hurt. For someone who positions

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing effective treatments if we are too poor. Quacks can always find some loophole to explore. Telmo. At what

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 10:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 04:59:05PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Mar 2013, at 22:50, Russell Standish wrote: This is true, however real randomness is aavailable, through the very first person ineterminancy

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Mar 2013, at 13:46, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 17:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: From the Quora http://www.quora.com/Board-Games/What-are-some-fun-games-to-play-on-an-8x8-Checkerboard-besides-chess-checkers This is interesting because I think it shows the weakness of the

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
PCG for President! :) On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'm with Telmo, and Bruno on the prohibition issue, no surprise, and with Craig here in being open to other worldviews, even if their odds seem low + I think our tendency to

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:03:27 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: From the Quora http://www.quora.com/Board-**

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:03:27 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 30 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Wed, Mar 27

Re: Quick question

2013-03-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote: True or False: COMP implies that any fundamental physical constant is non computable? I still don't know exactly what COMP means but about 1860 Maxwell

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Dull in what way? Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto a obscure website about experimental results that would

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't have the right algorithm. The central

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody wrote: You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't have the right algorithm. True, and a powerful brain

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Then shouldn't a powerful computer be able to quickly

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/4/2013 3:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours. Anything else

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: this is an article about research published in PLoS ONE, a peer-reviewed journal with a high impact factor ( 4). I confess I've never heard

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Last week PLoS ONE received its first impact factor — a stunning 4.351. Stunning? Nature = 51.15 Science = 47.72; and you're bragging about a 4.351

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-04-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/4/2013 3:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:13 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: What I'm trying to say is that I believe you do not distinguish: A) Science the method of inquiry from B) Science the human institution And I am saying

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Nature/Science have no magical powers to verify if experiments were performed correctly. Like anything else they are not perfect

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way identified

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability of species

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
... (forgetting the evolutionary rant) Telmo. Terren On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time

would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role. I'm interested in how this experience is generated. That's as far as I take it, says Nelson. As to the ultimate

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/11/2013 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
As an European, this is all a bit foreign (and terrifying) to me. From what I read and hear from American friends I've worked with, there's another disturbing aspect. Even if you don't get in through sports, you have to essentially destroy your childhood by devoting all of your free time to

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
then deal with the fact that two photons under the precise same conditions can follow two different paths (except for some hidden variable we don't know about)? I'm not a physicist and way over my head here, so this is not a rhetorical question. On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes te

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Mathematics itself seems rather magical. For instance the sum 1+2+3+4+5.infinity = -1/12 And according to Scott Aaronson's new book when string

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