Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/14/2019 3:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Feb 2019, at 06:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/12/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If we could knew which machine we are, we could define consciousness, or at least our personal current consciousness, as it would be defined

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/14/2019 3:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don’t hesitate to find some argument in favour of primitive materials, but in my opinion, this is highly speculative, and never used in physics. But the non-material primitive is never used either.  Insofar as I know, no scientist ever worries

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/12/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If we could knew which machine we are, we could define consciousness, or at least our personal current consciousness, as it would be defined by the combinator realising us. But that is impossible, and it defines only mechanism and the choice we

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/11/2019 7:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Two recent books: The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness Arthur S. Reber https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around 3000 years ago (Julian Jaynes). The date more usually given is 40,000

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/10/2019 4:42 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism and the existence of God is something that can be dismissed with no loss of understanding of reality. It is harder to know about consciousness in living things. I hesitate in some ways to think that

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Two recent books: The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness Arthur S. Reber https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity Paul Thagard

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-02 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/2/2019 11:04 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: "Experiential atoms" are sort of " just words" - like "atoms" was just a word to the Atomists of ancient Greece. And then a lot of people ignored them. Hopefully things will go better in this round of history. - pt Democritus didn't just

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-02 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/1/2019 10:58 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:54:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/1/2019 5:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: In any case, one of the "micropsychists"  has a new paper just out: "According to the *fusion* view ... when micro- or

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/1/2019 5:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: In any case, one of the "micropsychists"  has a new paper just out: "According to the *fusion* view ... when micro- or protoconscious entities come together in the right way, they fuse or 'blend' together to form a single unified consciousness.

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/17/2019 5:23 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 8:33:21 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 3:58:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 1/16/2019 7:25 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, January 14,

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/17/2019 12:22 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *Later I'll post some questions I have about your derivation of the Planck length, but for now here's a philosophical question; Is there any difference between the claim that space is discrete, from the claim or conjecture that we cannot

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/16/2019 7:25 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 6:12:43 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 1/13/2019 9:51 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: This means, to me, that the arbitrary phase angles have absolutely no effect on the resultant interference pattern

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/14/2019 4:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jan 2019, at 21:33, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/13/2019 6:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2019, at 20:51, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/11/2019 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I suspect Planck constant to be not computable, because if we

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/14/2019 3:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The physics comes from the first person statistical interference between those dreams. Where can this "person" be to make a statisical inference, if there are only the dreams? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/13/2019 9:51 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: This means, to me, that the arbitrary phase angles have absolutely no effect on the resultant interference pattern which is observed. But isn't this what the phase angles are supposed to effect? AG The screen pattern is determined by

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/13/2019 6:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2019, at 20:51, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/11/2019 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I suspect Planck constant to be not computable, because if we extract QM from arithmetic, the Planck constant might very well related to the mechanist

Re: Solomonoff induction and mechanism

2019-01-12 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/12/2019 3:12 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 8:14:14 PM UTC-6, Mason Green wrote: Solomonoff’s method of induction seems like a good fit for a mechanist view of things. For instance, it could be used to assign a relative probability to the universe

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-12 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/12/2019 3:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:25:55 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 1/11/2019 2:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> Of course there are math professors (Dr. Z at Rutgers) who teach on >> the evils of Platonism. And "Truth" is like God, as

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-12 Thread Brent Meeker
, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker wrote: /> The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those three values are measured independent of any Feynman diagrams/ Absolutely correct. So if you use Feynman diagrams to predict what s

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 2:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Of course there are math professors (Dr. Z at Rutgers) who teach on the evils of Platonism. And "Truth" is like God, as Rorty said. That is a good summary of Plato. Hirsschberger sum up Plato by saying that the God of Plato is Truth. Not the

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 1:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: /> The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: /> The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those three values are measured independent of any Feynman diagrams/ Absolutely correct. So if you

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Anyway, the question is if it is true or false. In mathematics, mechanism restricts realism only to finite mathematics, or arithmetic. This is basically the idea that 2+2=4, and that this is true independently of me. But "true"and "exist" are

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 3:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The “whole problem of QM” is there. The coefficients of the terms in the superposition are the “amplitude of probability”, and they can be negative. The probability is given by the square of the amplitude of probability. As long as we don’t make

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
Didn't you read the rebuttal to Dyahonov? Brent On 1/11/2019 2:23 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: “This scheme, like all other schemes for quantum computation, relies on speculative technology, does not in its current form take into account all possible sources of noise, unreliability and

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I suspect Planck constant to be not computable, because if we extract QM from arithmetic, the Planck constant might very well related to the mechanist substitution level. Planck's constant is not dimensionless. So its value is 1...in proper units.

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have completely

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 1:54 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *How can you prepare a system in any superposition state if you don't know the phase angles beforehand? You fail to distinguish measuring or assuming the phase angles from calculating them. One doesn't need Born's rule to calculate them.

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: /So even Feynman knew that there was no theoretical value for the FSC, alpha./ No,  he knew very well there was a theory that could come up with a value because his own Feynman Diagrams could do it. But what he didn't know and what nobody

Fwd: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-10 Thread Brent Meeker
Interesting articles. Brent Forwarded Message Another rebuttal: https://www.hpcwire.com/2019/01/09/the-case-against-the-case-against-quantum-computing/ On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 1:57 PM : In the IEEE Spectrum last week, Mikhail Dyakonov presented his overview of the field:

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-06 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/6/2019 1:56 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 7:53:52 AM UTC, Brent wrote: To measure small things you need comparably short wavelengths. If you make a photon with a wavelength so short it can measure the Planck length it will have so much

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-06 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/6/2019 3:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jan 2019, at 22:18, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/5/2019 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jan 2019, at 19:35, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/4/2019 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jan 2019, at 05:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/3/2019 6:01

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
To measure small things you need comparably short wavelengths.  If you make a photon with a wavelength so short it can measure the Planck length it will have so much mass-energy that it will fold spacetime around it and become a black hole...so you won't be able to use it to measure anything.

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/5/2019 9:49 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: But is this consistent with https://arxiv.org/abs/1109.5191v2 which showed spacetime to be smooth down to 1/525 of the Planck length? Brent *If we can't measure a Planck length, how can

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/5/2019 4:56 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 12:13:16 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 1/5/2019 1:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: The relation is provided by the metric.  If you choose different coordinate systems (e.g. cylindrical or

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/5/2019 1:28 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: The relation is provided by the metric.  If you choose different coordinate systems (e.g. cylindrical or spherical or whatever) then there is different metric tensor.  So the integral along the path of g_ab dx^a dx^b is the

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/5/2019 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jan 2019, at 19:35, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/4/2019 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jan 2019, at 05:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/3/2019 6:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As a scientist, I just count the evidences, and evaluate

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/5/2019 12:50 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 6:49:43 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 1/4/2019 9:20 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *Still a little murky. Does coordinate time ever differ from proper time? TIA, AG *

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/4/2019 9:20 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *Still a little murky. Does coordinate time ever differ from proper time? TIA, AG * Of course.  That's like asking does change in longitude ever differ from distance sailed. Brent *Suppose I imagine a path in

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-04 Thread Brent Meeker
ark wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:50 PM Brent Meeker wrote: /> That's like saying if two people drove different cars from L.A. to New York and their odometers registered different distances th

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-04 Thread Brent Meeker
=== Brent On 1/4/2019 1:24 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:15 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > /You said *t was the proper time for me to take the trip*. / Yes. > /But the proper time is what a clock measures / Yes,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/4/2019 9:43 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 5:59 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: >>If I travel from event A to event B and use the formula x^2 + y^2 + z^2 -(ct)^2 /> You can only travel between A and B if

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/4/2019 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jan 2019, at 05:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/3/2019 6:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As a scientist, I just count the evidences, and evaluate the plausibility of the big picture proposed.I predicted the many-world appearances much before I

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/3/2019 6:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As a scientist, I just count the evidences, and evaluate the plausibility of the big picture proposed.I predicted the many-world appearances much before I realised the physicists were already open to this for empirical reason. Once you understand

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/3/2019 6:03 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: So learn from this! The 't' in your formula above is the coordinate time, not the proper time. Learn the difference! The proper time is defined as the time kept by a perfect clock travelling on a geodesic. And a geodesic

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/3/2019 12:05 PM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:58 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: /> The 't' in your formula above is the coordinate time, not the proper time. / What the hell are you talking about? If I travel from event A to event B and

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2019-01-02 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/2/2019 12:09 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: When one thinks of "1+1=2", "|+|=||", etc. one thinks of, say, "There's a stick and another stick side by side. What do you call that?" Unary arithmetic. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2019-01-02 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/2/2019 10:30 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: I have no reason to believe that all of mathematics (numbers, ..., (mathematical) Turing machines, ...) is nothing more than language - which is something generated by material beings. But do you have some reason to believe that it is more than a

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-02 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/2/2019 8:28 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: /> And for two spacelike events (as I specified) h^2 < 0  so you have made the interval along a world line, the proper time, imaginary. /

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/1/2019 9:04 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:22 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: >> I hope you know the path yielding the longest proper time duration is not the same as having the longest distance through sp

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/31/2018 7:17 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:46 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > /But you do know that the straightest path between events in Minkowski spacetime / // You do know don't you that Minkowski spaceis non-Eucli

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/31/2018 9:14 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 6:37 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: >>> /It's an example of a geodesic being the longest path (in interval) between two events in 4-space./ >> I

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/29/2018 3:04 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:10 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > /It's an example of a geodesic being the longest path (in interval) between two events in 4-space. / I think you meant s

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/29/2018 2:44 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 3:39:25 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/29/2018 12:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 11:02:30 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/29/2018 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/29/2018 12:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 11:02:30 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/29/2018 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I use number because people are more familiar with them. Most people > can easily conceived that “17 is odd” is true

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/29/2018 11:26 AM, John Clark wrote: Richard Feynman had something to say about clocks and rickets in his book Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman, he posed this puzzle to a fellow physicist: "Y/ou blast off in a rocket which has a clock on board, and there's a clock on the ground. The

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/29/2018 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Dec 2018, at 20:45, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/24/2018 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:23, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/23/2018 10:21

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/29/2018 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I use number because people are more familiar with them. Most people can easily conceived that “17 is odd” is true independently of them, but would have an harder time to conceive that KKK=K independent of them, even if this does not mean much

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/25/2018 4:42 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 11:26:14 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/25/2018 8:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:16:53 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/25/2018 8:01 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:16:53 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM > wrote: >> You can never prove that any physical quantity is exactly zero, but we do know from observations

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 3:34 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 10:42:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 5:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Dec 2018, at 07:44, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/23/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/22/201

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:23, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/23/2018 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:08, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/21/2018 10:43

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:49 PM Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php Theoretical physicists

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:33 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending infinitely in all directions, as opposed to

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: How can this be? The rocket is a rigid structure, the front and rear clocks accelerate at the same rate. First, there are no rigid objects in relativity theory.  Otherwise they could be used for  FTL signaling.  Second, there is no simultaneity

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge and expanding sphere,  you have to reconcile an infinitesimally tiny universe at the time of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz transformations show up in the computations (of the Ud?)? This is explained in Vic

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:04 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, December 23, 2018, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:08, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ... With Mechanism, physics has to be the same for all “observers” aka universal machines, and indeed ph

Re: Decisions, decisions...

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Why make it an ethical problem?  What if you estimate is A you have 60% chance of surviving and B your have 40% chance of surviving. Brent On 12/22/2018 9:48 PM, Mason Green wrote: So I thought of an interesting problem in decision theory and/or ethics. Maybe someone’s thought along these

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/21/2018 5:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php Theoretical physicists developed a theory called loop quantum gravity in the 1990s that marries the laws of microscopic physics, or quantum mechanics, with gravity, which explains

Fwd: Are you smarter than a 5th grade amoeba?

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno should enjoy this. Brent Forwarded Message This is a cool bio hack, but is this approach ever going to be faster and/or cheaper than an electronic computer for the same precision of optimization?

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ... With Mechanism, physics has to be the same for all “observers” aka universal machines, and indeed physics has to be independent of the initial theory (phi_independent, or “machine independent” in the sense of theoretical computer scientist

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/22/2018 3:46 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase or wash out those non uniformities? ISTM, it would preserve them. It might preserve them, but it

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/22/2018 1:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Dec 2018, at 03:22, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jason Resch > wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>>

Re: Babbage vs Turing

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/22/2018 1:00 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:35:27 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:13:48 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: What are the key differences between their contributions to computer

Re: Babbage vs Turing

2018-12-21 Thread Brent Meeker
 Turing's big contribution to CS (although he also built working machines) was to define an abstract machine that emulated how a person might calculate and use it to prove things about what was mathematically possible to compute. Babbage designed and tried to build a practical, programmable

Re: The most accurate clock ever

2018-12-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/21/2018 7:29 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:57 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: >> The mass of the Earth played no part in Cavendish's determination of G because he was measuring gravitational attraction

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/21/2018 5:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > I am not advocating any global reference frame, just mentioning that > for a par

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/21/2018 12:31 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 5:46:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > I am not advocating any global reference frame, just mentioning that > for a particular observe, they can define a

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I am not advocating any global reference frame, just mentioning that for a particular observe, they can define a present that works for them (in their own reference frame). From their point of view they can consider themselves at rest (whether they

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: The most accurate clock ever

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/4/2018 5:35 PM, John Clark wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: > / finding the value of G depends on scaling the result by that ratio of masses (1.37e25 lbm/348 lbm). / The mass of the Earth played no part in Cavendish's determination of G because he was measuring gravitatio

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On We

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 4:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 2:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: How is it imaginary if they later confirm it?  i.e., they wait 1 year, and compare their readings from telescopes of things 1 ly away from them, and when they compare notes each one confirms that indeed their presents contained a different set of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark > wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: /> The Shrodinger equation is deterministic./ Yes. >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/19/2018 3:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:47 PM Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/19/2018 9:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Dec 2018, at 22:36, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/18/2018 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Dec 2018, at 21:43, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/17/2018 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Sure. Any argument showing that the primary universe exist

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