What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-06 Thread Jason Resch
I am trying to make a list of what properties are comparable between two universes and which properties are incomparable. I think this has applications regarding what knowledge can be extracted via simulation of (from one's POV) other abstract realities and worlds (which may be actual from someone

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-06 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 8:20 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > > Of course *physical, chemical, biological, psychical, sociological *laws > (to run the spectrum) are all human inventions. > > The questions are about how these laws interrelate (and terms like *emergence, > reduction, downward

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-06 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 4:47 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 6:02:39 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:05 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 12:52:19 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2019-01-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:15 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/5/2019 4:56 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 12:13:16 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 1/5/2019 1:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> The relation is provided by the metric. If you choose

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:05 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 12:52:19 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, January 5, 2019, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 12:02:53 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: On Sat, Jan

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Saturday, January 5, 2019, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 12:02:53 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 6:13 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 4:26:11 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jan

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:09 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > > Clock desycnhronization is a different phenomenon and has a different > cause and explanation than time dilation. > > Because of the relativity of simultaneity in SR, clock synchronizat

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:03 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:24 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bruce Kellett >>>

The structure of the world from pure numbers

2018-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
Frank Tipler wrote this 2005 paper, I am curious if others are familiar with it, and what your thoughts on it are: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-structure-of-the-world-from-pure-numbers-Tipler/3adcc70233813349ef6ee9779799780d813556e7 I found it to be quite interesting. He claims that

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 1:53 AM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Tuesday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Monday, December 24,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:24 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:03 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> > >>> > Ho

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:49 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote >>> >>> >>> http

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > How can this be? The rocket is a rigid structure, the front and rear > > clocks accelerate at the same rate. > > First, there are no rigid objects

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php > > Theoretical physicists developed a theory called loop quantum gravity in > the 1990s that marries the laws of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 10:44 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2018 4:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz >> transformati

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2018 4:04 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz > transformations show up in the computations (of the Ud?)? > > > This is explained in Vic Stenger’s book, in a way which shows that physics > is already in a large part

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sunday, December 23, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/21/2018 5:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/21/2018 5:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > I am not

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-22 Thread Jason Resch
n wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM John Clark wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:30 PM Jason Resch >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> T

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:42:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:30 PM Jason Resch wrote: >>> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:01 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > I am not advocating any global reference frame, just mentioning that > > for a particular observe, they can define a present that works for > > them (in their

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:30 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >>>> The Schrodinger equation describes the quantum wave function using >>>>> complex numbers, and that is not observable so it's subjective in the s

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:56 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:35 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> We have no evidence nor reason to presume that we should be in a position >> to see everything that exists. In fact, we already know that not to be the &g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Resch
(Combing text from your two e-mails, hope you don't mind) On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:38 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:44 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:52 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 4:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:07 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:11 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:49 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:22 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:11 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:30 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:26 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:35 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:30 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:26 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:35 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:18 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:37 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 2:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > How is it imaginary if they later confirm it? i.e., they wait 1 year, > > and compare their readings from telescopes of things 1 ly away from > > them,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >> *> The Shrodi

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On W

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/18/2

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:11 PM John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> The Schrodinger equation describes the quantum wave function using >>> complex numbers, and that is not observable so it's subjective in the same >&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they al

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:18 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>&

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:42 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/19/2018 3:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:47 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> The Shrodinger equation is deterministic.* > > > Yes. > > > *Quantum Randomness, like a moving present, is a subjective >> phenomenon.* >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:57 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> >&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:40 PM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On Tu

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> Dynamics is the study of matter in motion. There are no clocks in >> arithmetic. >> >> Of course there is clock. The successor

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> That wasn't my question. Do you believe your experience rules out the >> block universe? >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:47 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:36 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:36 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:18 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> From: Jason Resch >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kell

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:18 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> >> Of course they differ: in one case you have a purely local concept of the >> present; in the other case you require

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:16 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:02 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Arithmetical computations don't change so there can't be a >>> correspondence between them and the evolution of spacetime or with >>> anything else

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:40 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:14 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> From: Jason Resch >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Bruc

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:14 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM Bruce Kellett >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:05 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:02 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>&

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:05 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:02 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:23 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> >>> Arithmetical computations don't change so there can't be a >>> correspondenc

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:23 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 Jason Resch wrote > > > * I was explaining that pure numbers are changeless, but their >> relationships yield computations which like spacetime, ** have manifest >> change* > > > 2+3=5, t

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > That will give all computations, including the one responsible for you > consciousness state here and now. But that is only a tiny part of the > explanation, as physics as o be retrieved from the first person > indeterminacy on all

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 8:02 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 18 Dec 2018, at 06:01, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:46 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:32 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> I h

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:31 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:12 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:54 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:38 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:54 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:38 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> But mathematical objects are completely defined by their axioms. >&

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:46 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:32 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> I have no idea what you mean by "an incorrect computation". >> > > Have you never made an arithmetical error? > > This

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 10:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:00 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/16/2018 9:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:03 AM John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:44 AM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >> >>> *Pure numbers may not correspond to point in time and space, but >>&

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Monday, December 17, 2018, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 7:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:50 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:50 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:03 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 4:30 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:05 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 9:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 10:22 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/16/2018 4:39 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:03 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 4:30 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:50 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:00 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 9:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:50 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Sun,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 10:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 4:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/16/2018 2:04 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 10:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 4:39 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:53 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/16/2018 1:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:50 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:21 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >> >>> Are you claiming that there is an objective arithmetical realm that

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:21 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:36 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:14 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:04 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 2:04 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:01 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Sun,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:53 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/16/2018 1:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:28 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 10:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:14 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:04 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:01 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:01 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:28 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> But a system that is consistent can also prove a statement that is

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
t;>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>>>>>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:28 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 10:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:35 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 6:07 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
gt;> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>>&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>>>>> &

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:35 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 6:07 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 5:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> hh,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>>>>> >>>&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 5:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > hh, but diophantine equations only need integers, addition, and >> multiplication, and can define any computable function. Therefore the >> question of whether or no

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 2:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, B

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Saturday, December 15, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:53 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:32 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Static with respect to what dimension? The block universe is a >>> mathematical 4D object constructed in 1 dimension of time and 3 dimensions >>> of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> Yes, you create a whole theology around not all truths are provable. But >> you ignore that what is fal

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