Re: How to live forever

2018-03-21 Thread Kim Jones
be teleported to a different universe in a pine box? Kim Jones > On 22 Mar 2018, at 6:39 am, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >> On 3/21/2018 8:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 20 Mar 2018, at 00:56, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net&

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread Kim Jones
This is completely off-topic for this list. There are gazillions of discussions going on about this elswhere Kim Jones > On 1 Dec 2017, at 10:05 pm, Lawrence Crowell > <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Everything is easy to predict except the future. Th

Re: “Could a Quantum Computer Have Subjective Experience?”

2017-06-18 Thread Kim Jones
> Jun 2017, at 12:15 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > That sounds remarkably like the "many minds" interpretation of quantum > mechanics. This is disfavoured by most scientists because it leaves the > physics of the billions of years before the emergence of the first >

Re: What are atheists for?

2017-03-31 Thread Kim Jones
A classic New Atheist quip these days is "Atheism is a religion the same way 'Off' is a TV channel." What are you if 'Off' is your favourite TV channel? I often sit and stare at a blank TV screen and I have a 42" plasma so it's a pretty full-on experience of No Signal Whatsoever I love it

Re: What are atheists for?

2017-03-29 Thread Kim Jones
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 3:32 pm, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Wed., 29 Mar. 2017 at 10:30 am, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 29 Mar 2017, at 10:

Re: What are atheists for?

2017-03-28 Thread Kim Jones
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 10:22 am, 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List > wrote: > > Couldn't an athiest instead be open to, for example, a mathematical > foundation from which that which we perceive as being matter emerges? Sure - but then they

Re: What are atheists for?

2017-03-28 Thread Kim Jones
Atheists have no special function or any special beliefs. They are a religion like any other. They believe in God's non-existence, that's all. They reject the notion of an immaterial "prima materia" because that appears to them self-contradictory and instead put a thing called "Matter" on the

Re: Do we live in a (computer) simulation?

2017-03-15 Thread Kim Jones
Where does Bruno say we are living in a simulation? He says we are more likely emulated. K On 16 Mar 2017, at 8:57 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Sabine Hossenfelder has an interesting blog post about the popular idea that > we are living in a simulation created by

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-30 Thread Kim Jones
I feel like the guy in the dressing gown feeling the weirdness https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/2524792810877096/ Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-30 Thread Kim Jones
> On 28 Dec 2016, at 6:17 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, > questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or "the > wrong question". > > Yes. This is precisely why we will

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-30 Thread Kim Jones
> On 30 Dec 2016, at 7:47 am, John Mikes wrote: > > KIM (and Brent, Telmo of course) > what should we call " W E I R D " ??? I think "low measure" is the most meaningful synonym for me Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-29 Thread Kim Jones
> > On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:49 pm, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 07:57:31PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> I don’t think that only mature-age people think that the fact that Donald >> Trump got elected is weir

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-29 Thread Kim Jones
real and a metric of something Kim Jones Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile:0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web:http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com “I’m not saying there aren’t a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot of them

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-10-06 Thread Kim Jones
> On 6 Oct 2015, at 8:34 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Note that here John Clark agrees implicitly with the fact that a computation > is not a physical notion, because he defines physical computation by a > computation done in physics. So he lost the point. Unfortunately we

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-10-04 Thread Kim Jones
> On 1 Oct 2015, at 3:25 AM, John Clark wrote: > > When I say "physical computation" ​ and you demand a definition of that and > when I respond with "a computation done with physics" and you demand a > definition of that too then I believe it is perfectly acceptable for

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-14 Thread Kim Jones
Idiocy only ever applies to other people, yes. It's like sexual perversion and corruption; these things are done only by others, never by me! Why I speak of the need for some fabled 'test' - a bit like Alice drinking from the bottle marked 'drink me'. Alice was no idiot. She had the

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-13 Thread Kim Jones
. But there is no criteria for intelligence, except that with the definition taken, keeping silence is a sort of local quasi-criteria (making pebble intelligent, but why not as they rarely utters stupidities). Bruno Brent On 8/11/2015 4:06 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 11 Aug 2015, at 10

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-13 Thread Kim Jones
On 14 Aug 2015, at 8:21 am, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: So, to cut to the chase, when a thread appears claiming the benefit of a psychedelic is to work out who the idiots are, when it is suggested that the substance be used in such a miserly way, I can't help but feel

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 11 Aug 2015, at 10:26 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: No doubt that it would be interesting to look at. Salvia has been called a cure of ... atheism (the non agnostic one 'course). Not that it makes you believe in anything new, it just shows reasons to doubt more, and to

Re: Idiot Test

2015-08-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Aug 2015, at 9:42 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If you think you have a sure fire way to identify an idiot...it's you. Brent You, sir - are no one’s idiot. Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Idiot Test

2015-08-10 Thread Kim Jones
modified beliefs would be classed as normal. Obviously the people conducting the interview would be 'normal'. Any takers? Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kmjco...@icloud.com Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http

Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?

2015-07-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Jul 2015, at 3:09 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: You suffer from raving psychological mind ghosts; carefully nurtured paranoid Manichean delusions brought upon by the ingestion of too much war propaganda. Psychological mind

Well Stone The Crows

2015-06-15 Thread Kim Jones
http://www.adguk.co.uk/scitech/nasa-discovers-thc-on-meteorite-fragment/ http://www.adguk.co.uk/scitech/nasa-discovers-thc-on-meteorite-fragment/ Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile:0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web:http

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. John K Clark The difference between the three Abrahamic religions

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Jun 2015, at 9:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The difference between the three Abrahamic religions (according to Bill Maher): Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling Judaism = mumbling to the wall Islam = mumbling to the floor I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-10 Thread Kim Jones
On 10 Jun 2015, at 2:20 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2015 at 15:23, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Both. I'm exploring the concept of solipsism with a positive attitude. What are the benefits? Your attempts at humour always hit the mark (with me.) Thanks

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-09 Thread Kim Jones
On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:07 pm, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jun 2015, at 07:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: Given a set of axioms and some agreed rules of inference, the same results always follow, regardless of by whom or at what time the application

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-09 Thread Kim Jones
On 9 Jun 2015, at 12:09 pm, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya YOU WISH Kim -- You received this

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-09 Thread Kim Jones
On 10 Jun 2015, at 9:09 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2015 at 10:37, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jun 2015, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jun 2015, at 07:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: Given a set

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-09 Thread Kim Jones
On 10 Jun 2015, at 11:53 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2015 at 13:35, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 10 Jun 2015, at 9:09 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2015 at 10:37, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread Kim Jones
If you ever run into him you will instantly recognise him Kim On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:54 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Who is the Master who makes the grass green? On 3 June 2015 at 08:38, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' John M On

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread Kim Jones
On 2 Jun 2015, at 12:18 pm, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Saying 'In Sha Allah' and 'Ma Sha Allah' reminds us that no matter how earnestly we resolve to do something or how hard we tried, the decision is always with Allah. In this temporal realm, we can only 'choose' to try

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread Kim Jones
On 3 Jun 2015, at 1:44 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/2/2015 8:35 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Let's try a different approach. Do you really think that everything just happened on its own and there is no creator behind it? If you do believe that there must be a creator, then

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread Kim Jones
On 3 Jun 2015, at 2:24 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/2/2015 9:11 PM, Kim Jones wrote: God has this tendency, as someone once observed, to align his/her/its wishes for usexactly on the same tram-lines of our already preset desires. God only ever wants for Man what Man

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-31 Thread Kim Jones
On 31 May 2015, at 9:03 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2015 at 03:24, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: God created humans How do you know FFS? There are by now a few credible alternative scenarios. Why does G have to be the grandmother of every bloody thing?

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-30 Thread Kim Jones
/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile:0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web:http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com “I’m not saying there aren’t

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
https://www.facebook.com/MrDiscontinuity/posts/978314172187161 On 28 May 2015, at 9:44 pm, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: It's the sound made by geoengineering - firing electromagnetic pulse waves into the atmosphere to affect weather change. HAARP. And other things

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
It's the sound made by geoengineering - firing electromagnetic pulse waves into the atmosphere to affect weather change. HAARP. And other things they don't ring you up to tell you they are doing. No, they don't announce on the evening news that mankind has figured out how to toy with the

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/13/aquiess-international-inc-electromagnetic-rainmaking-technology/ On 28 May 2015, at 9:47 pm, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: https://www.facebook.com/MrDiscontinuity/posts/978314172187161 On 28 May 2015, at 9:44 pm, Kim Jones kimjo

Something to Argue over

2015-05-22 Thread Kim Jones
Norway's entry in the Eurovision Song Contest shows that certain urges rise above self-love, sex and power: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mbyzgeee2mgfeature=youtu.be Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kmjco...@icloud.com Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02

Meat trial

2015-05-08 Thread Kim Jones
cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ... Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile:0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web:http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com “I’m not saying there aren’t a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-04-30 Thread Kim Jones
On 30 Apr 2015, at 2:29 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I was told at school that 'a sentence which does not contain a verb is not a sentence' which I gather was meant to imply 'you have not managed to say anything if you don't use a verb' which is bollocks, of course. This sentence no

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-04-29 Thread Kim Jones
On 30 Apr 2015, at 12:34 pm, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: If everything is to 'happen' in Platonia, you need to specify a temporal variable. This is not trivial, and I have not seen any convincing explanation of how you intend to do this. Bruce The way I

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

2015-04-29 Thread Kim Jones
On 30 Apr 2015, at 1:20 pm, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Kim Jones wrote: On 30 Apr 2015, at 12:34 pm, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: If everything is to 'happen' in Platonia, you need to specify a temporal variable. This is not trivial, and I

Re: Practicalities of Mind Uploading

2015-04-23 Thread Kim Jones
On 23 Apr 2015, at 8:06 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to go off topic so soon :-) but at first glance the answer to this would appear to depend completely on the answer to Bruno's yes doctor - if one's consciousness is the result of computation at some level, and assuming

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Apr 2015, at 11:03 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But those who gave me the price in Paris The PRIZE K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: I for one welcome our Eastern overlords

2015-04-19 Thread Kim Jones
/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile:0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web:http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com “I’m not saying

Re: Food for thought

2015-04-17 Thread Kim Jones
On 18 Apr 2015, at 4:56 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Current global growth estimates are that every two days, the world is now creating as much new digital information as all the data ever created from the dawn of humans through

Re: For Bruce

2015-04-15 Thread Kim Jones
Getting back to this Bruno quote that Liz threw in: On 15 Apr 2015, at 7:05 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This makes quanta into a particular case of qualia, being somehow sharable, and making physical reality a first person plural reality So what would happen if everyone died in

Re: For Bruce

2015-04-15 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Apr 2015, at 6:12 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: For all you know what you believe is logical is not and you're deluded. Quentin I daresay, yes. So, for me this suggests the following questions: Why bother discussing anything? How can we ever really have firm

Re: For Bruce

2015-04-14 Thread Kim Jones
On 14 Apr 2015, at 11:24 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This makes quanta into a particular case of qualia, being somehow sharable, and making physical reality a first person plural reality So what would happen if everyone died in some cataclysm, except for one person? Then

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-29 Thread Kim Jones
On 30 Mar 2015, at 11:19 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 March 2015 at 08:39, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/29/2015 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Please! Hunter Gatherers - warriors is a boys' club term for it. I can accept that the term warrior glorifies something

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-28 Thread Kim Jones
On 28 Mar 2015, at 9:12 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Kim, On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 26 Mar 2015, at 2:21 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=857 So most of these women are Brits? WTF

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-26 Thread Kim Jones
On 26 Mar 2015, at 2:21 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=857 So most of these women are Brits? WTF! Makes your blood run cold. People are turning into zombies left right and centre. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in organised religion for women. This

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-24 Thread Kim Jones
On 25 Mar 2015, at 7:44 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: the John-before-he-looks will be uncertain of what he will see People just can't get over that damn pronoun addiction! If he is the John-before-he-looks

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-22 Thread Kim Jones
On 23 Mar 2015, at 10:19 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2015 2:45 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 March 2015 at 07:37, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think step 3 is at all essential to the argument. It's nothing but setting up an analogy to Everett's MWI to show

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-22 Thread Kim Jones
On 23 Mar 2015, at 3:36 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2015 8:55 PM, Kim Jones wrote: But Bruno is only explicating how there can be an objectively determinsitic process that *necessarily* produces a subjectively uncertain outcome. Yes. Clark has to accept

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-21 Thread Kim Jones
On 22 Mar 2015, at 10:56 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Competence and intelligence are different things If something made of protoplasm does it then it's intelligent, but if something made of silicon and does

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 21 Mar 2015, at 10:35 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/20/2015 12:51 PM, John Clark wrote: I was consider as being crackpot *because* I defended the idea that machine could be intelligent, and could develop competence. 40 years ago. It sounds like you were wiser 40

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-19 Thread Kim Jones
PM, LizR wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 10:56, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies in shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any thinking of his own and has clearly never once in gis life

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-19 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Mar 2015, at 11:43 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/19/2015 5:18 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Critics exist to criticise, to provide critiques (opinions) and make criticisms of existing ideas. That's the general meaning, but art critics also praise. In fact it seems

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-19 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Mar 2015, at 2:06 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/19/2015 7:59 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Don't forget, the word critical does Have two meanings and people sometimes intentionally confuse them because you can. Critical often gets used sloppily to mean extremely important

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-19 Thread Kim Jones
as a liar, the only way forward is to maintain the fictions you mistakenly outed - even after you and everyone have seen through them. Kim Jones On 20 Mar 2015, at 7:20 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Liar Clark seriously

Re: The preferred basis problem

2015-03-04 Thread Kim Jones
On 4 Mar 2015, at 9:17 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For any other bears of little brain who don't grok this (unless I'm the only one) I found this slightly ungrammatical layman's language summary helpful. http://www.thestargarden.co.uk/PreferredBasisProblem.html I have to admit

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread Kim Jones
On 2 Mar 2015, at 2:50 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: But very special type of duplicating machine where the laws of physics forbid anyone from observing any of the duplicates that the machine has made, so the personal pronoun you never causes ambiguity. John K Clark

Re: FPI

2015-03-01 Thread Kim Jones
On 2 Mar 2015, at 5:30 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/1/2015 10:26 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 2 Mar 2015, at 2:50 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: But very special type of duplicating machine where the laws of physics forbid anyone from observing any

Re: The Next Twenty Years

2015-02-16 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Feb 2015, at 9:30 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 16 Feb 2015, at 07:22, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Feb 2015, at 5:12 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am not sure if I fear more radical islamism or the political correctness which has never stop

Re: The Next Twenty Years

2015-02-15 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Feb 2015, at 5:12 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am not sure if I fear more radical islamism or the political correctness which has never stop to sustain the radical (pseudo--Islam), which is nazism in disguised. In fact the nazis have disguised antisemitism into

The Next Twenty Years

2015-02-14 Thread Kim Jones
, Australia and Britain. Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kmjco...@icloud.com Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot of them

Re: Say it ain't so, Saul!

2015-01-26 Thread Kim Jones
That was truly entertaining. I loved the way it ended up Kim On 26 Jan 2015, at 9:02 pm, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: https://fauxphilnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/kripke-resigns-after-allegations-of-academic-fraud/ -- You received this message because you are

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-26 Thread Kim Jones
On 27 Jan 2015, at 4:44 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Jan 2015, at 00:02, Kim Jones wrote: On 26 Jan 2015, at 7:43 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I study the consequences of a common assumption, and assuming a universal person is natural

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-25 Thread Kim Jones
On 26 Jan 2015, at 7:43 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I study the consequences of a common assumption, and assuming a universal person is natural in this context. Here is the big sell, then. You have to somehow demonstrate to the human race that we are a universal person.

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-24 Thread Kim Jones
On 25 Jan 2015, at 8:39 am, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 22 Jan 2015, at 3:58 pm, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: Which was also my problem with physicalism - in that why would

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-23 Thread Kim Jones
inability to see past your own beliefs and to so continually flaunt your self-righteous NEED to flame and flail others for their otherness. Kim Jones -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Kim Jones
On 22 Jan 2015, at 6:07 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/21/2015 10:09 PM, Kim Jones wrote: But the laws surely are not random. Laws cannot be random. Look, the universe is a setup job. Either we are simulated and the limitation to our minds is intentional or we

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Kim Jones
On 23 Jan 2015, at 10:24 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/22/2015 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jan 2015, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: If you completely discard the concept of truth and replace it entirely with evolutionary

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Kim Jones
On 23 Jan 2015, at 2:15 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/22/2015 6:57 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 23 Jan 2015, at 10:24 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/22/2015 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jan 2015, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Kim Jones
On 23 Jan 2015, at 4:06 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/22/2015 7:58 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 23 Jan 2015, at 2:15 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/22/2015 6:57 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 23 Jan 2015, at 10:24 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-21 Thread Kim Jones
On 22 Jan 2015, at 3:58 pm, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: I think my main problem with platonism is that I don't see why a mathematical universe would generate beings who then develop true beliefs about the mathematical nature of the universe. Under Bruno's neoplatonic

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-21 Thread Kim Jones
On 22 Jan 2015, at 5:46 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic either, you're what is called a believer... Quentin Yes.

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jan 2015, at 12:31 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: All I know about is ideas and ideas are information and I would say that information is physical, but you would call it abstract and non-physical, in contrast I can say virtually nothing about the sun itself but you

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 21 Jan 2015, at 4:56 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:20 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: stop using that ridiculous and meaningless art term abstract. [...] Nothing is abstract. So you're saying that the word abstract should

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jan 2015, at 11:43 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: These models tend to have something in common: they suggest that we are not what we appear to be, that we are not mortal or immortal because time itself is a dream. That there is only one consciousness and we are

Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point of view

2015-01-19 Thread Kim Jones
What has any of this got to do with the search for a ToE? Kim On 19 Jan 2015, at 11:13 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] From:

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-18 Thread Kim Jones
On 19 Jan 2015, at 2:51 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But my serious point is that arithmetic is a model of countable things we invented and it's not some magic that controls what exists. Brent Magic? Hmmyou wish..still having trouble with the comp reversal, you

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-18 Thread Kim Jones
On 19 Jan 2015, at 4:40 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: That you consider mod 4 to be a qualifier is just a convention of language. If we were talking about time what's six hours after 1900: answer 0100, because there the convention is mod 24. But my serious point is that

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-18 Thread Kim Jones
at 5:45 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Kim: Which is the Turing Universal system that doesn't show some kind of relationship with arithmetic? Why do you feel that that reality would have to be magical if we notice important relations with arithmetical values? You can notice

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-16 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Jan 2015, at 9:56 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: That's why all this talk around agnostics are really atheists is dubious: in assigning to certain ideas fixed literal meaning (God as person or whatever), the atheist does and goes beyond what the

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-16 Thread Kim Jones
On 17 Jan 2015, at 6:59 am, LizR via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Of course I do believe in Daleks...) Jesus, you design a difficult bloody crossword! I thought I knew my Dr WHO... Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-16 Thread Kim Jones
On 17 Jan 2015, at 8:24 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Take my definition of God in the Plotinus paper. That is God = the set of Gödel numbers of the true (in the standard model) sentences of

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-16 Thread Kim Jones
On 17 Jan 2015, at 12:46 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-15 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in the christian God, paradoxically enough. By your

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-15 Thread Kim Jones
On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:05 pm, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Like Russell, I tend to feel (or believe, if you prefer) that this One or what the physicalists call the beginning also includes observers. I can conceive of the possibility that observers were present right from the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-10 Thread Kim Jones
On 11 Jan 2015, at 10:22 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, I wonder if you or anybody else on the list can explain something to me that I have never understood; why is it that in all of human activity religion is the one and only one that is supposed to be absolutely

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Kim Jones
On 10 Jan 2015, at 10:20 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/9/2015 2:56 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Democracy is great but is not robust enough to withstand the urge to tribalism. Despite all systems of government and theories of statism and collectivism - the fact remains

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Kim Jones
at the world already... Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot of them are in government - Russell Brand -- You received this message because you

Re: S=0

2015-01-05 Thread Kim Jones
On 5 Jan 2015, at 6:13 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: For me the crux has always also been how does anything at all emerge from an all-encompassing universal nothingness. Well, you've read Larry Krauss on this by now for the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread Kim Jones
On 6 Jan 2015, at 12:09 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds a bit like sophistry. The question could be rephrased 'why/how does anything exist?' - which is a natural continuation of the questions scientists have been asking for a while. If you aren't interested in why and how

Re: Democracy

2015-01-05 Thread Kim Jones
On 6 Jan 2015, at 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But surely, The False exists? False proposition exists, but, well, thanks to God, they are not true, and thus not realized in any reality. But in the cul-de-sac world, false is necessary, which still does not lead

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread Kim Jones
On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:17 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: If everything exists, what doesn't exist? Nothing. If nothing existed; would it remain nothing? -Chris Brent You are both missing the main question: what was

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