Dennet on Free will!

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen P. King
This is fun! http://youtu.be/EJsD-3jtXz0?t=24m16s It exist! -- Onward! Stephen I apologize in advance for the gross errors that this post and all of my posts will contain. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Thin Realism

2013-05-17 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Bruno, Any comments on this? http://www.colyvan.com/papers/Maddy.pdf -- Onward! Stephen I apologize in advance for the gross errors that this post and all of my posts will contain. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Arguments against uploading

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen P. King
http://io9.com/you-ll-probably-never-upload-your-mind-into-a-computer-474941498 -- Onward! Stephen I apologize in advance for the gross errors that this post and all of my posts will contain. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Tarsky's Proof of the undefinability of truth.

2013-03-25 Thread Stephen P. King
? It assumes too much power in its implications. 2013/3/23 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net In 1936 Tarski proved a fundamental theorem of logic: the *undefinability of truth*. Roughly speaking, this says there's no consistent way to extend

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing effective treatments if we are too poor. Quacks can always find some loophole to explore. Telmo. At what point does the regulation become only a means to suppress innovation? -- Onward!

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/24/2013 7:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? We can already listen to the ideally correct machines on this. They already grasp UDA and provides the solution in the shape of a theology, in the greek

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/24/2013 3:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/24/2013 8:00 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:15:53 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 3/24/2013 3:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than human being and believes that the future will

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? I share this question! 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 9:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, Thanks for this. On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo-science. I find this disturbing because they are just

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 1:22 PM, John Clark wrote: The following article about Quantum Computers was on page one of the business section of today's New York Times: VANCOUVER, British Columbia — Our digital age is all about bits, those precise ones and zeros that are the stuff of modern

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 2:20 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
be a warning for atheists who fight with Church and forget to check what one can find among AI studies. Evgenii 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said the following

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 3:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than human

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 4:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 11:30 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but

Tarsky's Proof of the undefinability of truth.

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
In 1936 Tarski proved a fundamental theorem of logic: the *undefinability of truth*. Roughly speaking, this says there's no consistent way to extend arithmetic so that it talks about 'truth' for statements about arithmetic. Why not? Because if we /could/, we could cook up a statement that says

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 7:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Mar 2013, at 02:32, Stephen P. King wrote: Are physical computers truly universal Turing Machines? No! They do not have infinite tape, not precise read/write heads. They are subject to noise and error. The infinite tape

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 6:04 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:46:11PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But still, I tend to bet that creativity, if he can exploit it, is still independent of it. I still find it

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote: I think it likely that the first applications will be providing soldiers with augmented senses and communication. Just as AI research has been funded by the military. Threats of war are often used to

Re: A philosopher making the Duplication argument

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 6:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176 He starts off with a straightforward, materialist position

Re: True?

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 2:51 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/3/20 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Since I惴 more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato sometimes- ? I see Plato and Aristotle

Re: True?

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in physical reality often call to

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 4:04 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/20/2013 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote: I think it likely that the first applications will be providing soldiers with augmented senses and communication. Just

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 6:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:30:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/20/2013 9:41 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 6:32 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases

Fwd: Re: [FOM] From theorems of infinity to axioms of infinity

2013-03-20 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Folks, I apologize for crossforwarding a post, but this one is too good to not... Original Message Subject:Re: [FOM] From theorems of infinity to axioms of infinity Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Timothy Y. Chow tc...@alum.mit.edu

A philosopher making the Duplication argument

2013-03-19 Thread Stephen P. King
http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176 -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: True?

2013-03-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/19/2013 6:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: Of course it works in the sense that the selected theory will save the facts, because you only consider theories that are not contradicted by the facts - and if you are fortunate enough to have more than one, then you consider Occams razor and esthetic

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/16/2013 3:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Mar 2013, at 20:38, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 15, 2013 3:04:24 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: No, I think that you haven't understood it, That's because you are only working with a straw man of me. What is it that you think

Re: Logical games

2013-03-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/15/2013 10:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2013, at 23:43, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, This is a nice lecture by Johan van Benthem that covers the kind of approach that I am trying to use in my critique of comp: http://videolectures.net/esslli2011_benthem_logic

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/15/2013 1:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 15, 2013 1:07:19 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: Craig thinks his theory mind is perfectly compatible with physics because he thinks physics is different from what all those stupid physicists think it is. They just don't know about

Logical games

2013-03-14 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Bruno, This is a nice lecture by Johan van Benthem that covers the kind of approach that I am trying to use in my critique of comp: http://videolectures.net/esslli2011_benthem_logic/ It gives a nice alternative to the concept of a universal Platonic Mind or secular God to whom all

Re: Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-13 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/13/2013 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2013, at 18:54, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/12/2013 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2013, at 14:10, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/12/2013 8:58 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I have found a paper that seems

Re: Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-13 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/13/2013 12:28 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2013, at 19:31, Stephen P. King wrote: I suspect that we need to look at the associativity properties of the algebra as per Kevin Knuth's work: http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.0881 Really interesting, but hard to directly used

All Complete Intersection Calabi-Yau Four-Folds

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Richard, You might find this paper interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.1832 Most of my questions are about the non-constructible CY four-folds... -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Capurro's trilemma

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, I agree with 99% of the following. From: http://www.capurro.de/trialog.htm Is there any possibility of a unified theory of information which includes Capurro's trilemma as a constituent element of it, and not as something to be eliminated or solved? Well, this is a difficult question.

Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Bruno, I have found a paper that seems to cover most of my thoughts about the arithmetic body problem: Models of axiomatic theories admitting automorphisms by A. Ehrenfeucht A. Mostowski http://matwbn.icm.edu.pl/ksiazki/fm/fm43/fm4316.pdf More on related concepts are found in the

Re: All Complete Intersection Calabi-Yau Four-Folds

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
confi guration matrices compared to only 7890 for the 3-folds. Richard On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Dear Richard, You might find this paper interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.1832 Most of my questions are about the non

Re: Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/12/2013 8:58 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I have found a paper that seems to cover most of my thoughts about the arithmetic body problem: Models of axiomatic theories admitting automorphisms by A. Ehrenfeucht A. Mostowski http://matwbn.icm.edu.pl/ksiazki/fm/fm43

Re: Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
in a countable language is finite or ℵ0 or 2ℵ0 That is, finite, countable (integers Aleph_0) or uncountable (2^aleph_0 or aleph_1 as in the Real numbers). On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Dear Bruno, I have found a paper that seems

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/12/2013 9:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Mar 2013, at 22:16, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/11/2013 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK

Re: Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/12/2013 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2013, at 14:10, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/12/2013 8:58 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I have found a paper that seems to cover most of my thoughts about the arithmetic body problem: Models of axiomatic theories

Re: Toward a solution to the Arithmetic Body problem

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/12/2013 1:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Let me refine my concerns a bit. Is there a method to consider the Vaught conjecture on finite lattice approximations of Polish spaces? Please relate all this, as formally as in the Ehrenfeucht Mostowski paper, to what has already been solved

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/11/2013 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK, what generates or requires the stratification into levels? To ask a machine about herself (like

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/10/2013 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! I don't

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK, what generates or requires the stratification into levels? To ask a machine about herself (like in self-duplication experiences), you need to represent the machine in the language available

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/9/2013 7:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 21:47, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/8/2013 2:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 05:37, Terren Suydam wrote: Ah. That's above my pay grade unfortunately. But I don't think our immediate failure to solve that problem

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! I don't think we know that. Hi Bruno, Of course we don't know that for sure... you are being

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Stephen, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. That's an excellent question. I suspect a scheme might not be necessary to infer the presence of meaning, but what I'm

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
... the mind boggles! We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! 2013/3/8 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net Hi, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not logically inconsistent with consciousness. I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. ? (that seems

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
100%. 2013/3/8 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net On 3/8/2013 7:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: That may be not enough. suppose that you are starving, and you receive in your phone a message describing where is the next source of water

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 1:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Exactly. This is why computations are exactly describable as strings... It is less wrong to say that description of computation can be denoted with string. Computation themselves are not strings. They are sequence of states related by some universal

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 3:05 PM, John Mikes wrote: Stephen, you know my aversion against random: it is a disorderly sequence the origination of which is not (yet?) disclosed to us - usually excluded from our ordinate view of nature since it deprives the prediction according to the so far derived

Re: MGA is back (on the FOAR list)

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 4:33 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 8, 2013 1:35:12 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2013, at 17:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:19:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Mar 2013, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:

True?

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, Is the following a sound claim? ...scientifically meaningful propositions are questions about the past, the present, the future, or the eternal laws that: * might in principle be both false and true * admit a method, at least in principle, to evaluate their truth values. --

Re: True?

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 11:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, Is the following a sound claim? ...scientifically meaningful propositions are questions about the past, the present, the future, or the eternal laws that: * might in principle be both false and true * admit a method, at least

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/9/2013 1:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 , Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: who would vow never to change their views? The religious faithful. Dear John, Could you consider the possibility that the religiously faithful

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/9/2013 1:12 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Stephen Hawking can look at someone doing it and eventually figure it out, and then instruct me to do exactly what he says and unclog the toilet.

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: By the definition I gave above a stone does not choose to roll down the hill because it does not consider each option in order to decide which one to do. Why doesn't it

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 10:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: By the definition I gave above a stone does not choose

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 10:58 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:43:06 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 3/7/2013 10:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 11:36 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: I have no doubt that Craig will somehow see this as a vindication of his theory and a refutation of mechanism. Terren I wonder if you think that the cat's name is Pavlov? On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 11:36 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: I have no doubt that Craig will somehow see this as a vindication of his theory and a refutation of mechanism. Terren On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: https

Re: Thin Client

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every day for the last 14 years), you will understand the idea of a Thin Client architecture. Thin clients are as old

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 4:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 08/03/2013, at 2:43 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not logically inconsistent with consciousness. I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 4:15 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. There

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 5:37 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Alex Trebek: This tool can unclog a toilet. Watson: What is a plunger? Telmo Menezes: look Watson, I have a problem. My wife is mad at me and I don't know why. I suspect it's because I didn't buy her flowers for Valentine's, but she keeps telling me

Re: Thin Client

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 5:45 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every day for the last 14 years

Re: Thin Client

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 5:54 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:21:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
recognition. Terren On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/7/2013 11:36 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: I have no doubt that Craig will somehow see this as a vindication of his theory and a refutation of mechanism

Re: Thin Client

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 6:16 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 02:54:59PM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:21:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Excellent post! You have nailed computational immaterialism where it really hurts. Computations

Re: Thin Client

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 7:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 7:54 PM, meekerdb wrote: What I am exploring is a dual aspect theory that allows for minds to act on bodies and bodies to act on minds in a symmetric way. How is this any different than saying mind is what a brain does. They physical processes of the brain and the psychological

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
this puzzle out than spar with you over who has the best explanation. ;-) Terren On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/7/2013 6:09 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: The same way it explains it for humans. The cat

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/7/2013 10:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: I'm game. Which puzzle are we figuring out? A solution to Bruno's 'arithmetic body problem'. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/7/2013 9:14 PM, Terren Suydam

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
and Ben Goertzel's ideas. I am interested in applications http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnd-hdmgfk. ;-) On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/7/2013 10:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: I'm game. Which puzzle are we

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
possible measure. I am not a mathematician, sadly... On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/7/2013 11:37 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Ah. That's above my pay grade unfortunately. But I don't think our immediate

Brain teaser

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/6/2013 1:45 PM, John Clark wrote: I just saw the movie Beowulf, it's a pretty good movie but what is of interest is the stunning advance in animation achieved by good old Moore's Law. There were times when I could swear I was looking at a real human being not something a computer

Cats fall for illusions too

2013-03-06 Thread Stephen P. King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CcXXQ6GCUb8 -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/6/2013 4:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2013 10:45 AM, John Clark wrote: I just saw the movie Beowulf, it's a pretty good movie but what is of interest is the stunning advance in animation achieved by good old Moore's Law. There were times when I could swear I was looking at a real human

Re: Generalized Löb's Theorem

2013-03-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/5/2013 6:23 AM, advancedguida...@list.ru wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 1:16:15 PM UTC+2, advanced...@list.ru wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:53:12 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Stephen, On 25 Jan 2013, at 18:06, Stephen P. King wrote

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

2013-03-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/5/2013 3:03 PM, William R. Buckley wrote: Craig, You build an automaton, place it and turn it on, and from that point in time forward the automaton reacts to acceptable information all on its own. You contradict yourself -- - I don't think it has to be human -- machines only help

Question about chaotic systems

2013-03-04 Thread Stephen P. King
Is a red shift a possible effect of Lag Synch in the limit of many pair-wise coupled chaotic systems?? http://144.206.159.178/ft/847/47281/13813187.pdf -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/3/2013 12:37 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi, When Bruno claims that physics can be derived from the UD, would a proof of that represent, on some level, a (partial) solution to the measure problem? Terren -- Hi Terren, It would seem so, or more accurately the other-way around. I just

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/3/2013 10:11 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Stephen, That's a nice read but written under the materialist assumption so doesn't really apply to my question. Terren Hi Terren, Hummm, I can translate it in my mind over to the dual... On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Stephen P

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
translate it in my mind over to the dual... On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/3/2013 12:37 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi, When Bruno claims that physics can be derived from the UD

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
is ontologically primitive. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, maybe I'm missing something but I'm not sure how a paper that assumes physics can say anything about how physics might emerge from arithmetic. On Mar 3, 2013 2:49 PM, Stephen P. King stephe

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/1/2013 4:32 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2013 12:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 1, 2013 3:33:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/1/2013 12:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It doesn't matter how many knee-jerk twitches you put together or in what order, they are still

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/28/2013 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2013, at 05:04, meekerdb wrote: You are assuming that justification comes from logic; and indeed it is too much to expect from such a weak source. I look for such justification as can be found from experience, which you demoted to mere

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It is a basic law of logic that if X is not Y and X is not not Y then X is gibberish, X = alcohol Y = poison. becomes

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/28/2013 2:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It is a basic law of logic that if X is not Y and X

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