Re: Class calculus and conscious AIs

2018-12-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Mason, On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 04:18, Mason Green wrote: > > Hi, I’m wondering if any of you have read this paper and if so, what do you > think about it. The author says he’s discovered a new kind of mathematics > that could give rise to machine consciousness. A few other publications >

Quantum outperforms classical

2018-10-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
Finally a proof that quantum computers outperform classical computers for a certain class of problems? Thoughts? "Quantum computers are expected to be better at solving certain computational problems than classical computers. This expectation is based on (well-founded) conjectures in

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
> With the calici trial, the right things were being done, but then some > idiot (probably with your mindset) decided to release the virus on the > mainland anyway. Fortunately, in that case, we dodged a bullet. Not so > with cane toads, or the bloody rabbits in the first place. Even before the

Re: Combinator 3 (a bit of Logic)

2018-09-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Bruno! Following so far with not problems. On 5 September 2018 at 19:41, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi Jason, Telmo, Brent, others, > > Some of you might say “OK, combinators combine, and now we know that the > combination of S and K, that is, the combinators, can do all combination”. > The

Re: Combinators 2 (Combinatorial completeness through 3 combinator synthesis algorithms)

2018-08-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, Just to thank you for this and let you know that I am (finally) following. Will try to finish the combinator 2 exercises this weekend, but I think it's all clear so far. Best, Telmo. On 20 August 2018 at 20:01, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi, > > > Don’t hesitate to enlarge your font if

Re: Church-Turing Thesis

2018-08-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 23 August 2018 at 06:31, wrote: > > > On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 2:01:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:43 PM wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 3:22:04 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:16 AM wrote: >

beautiful visualization of the first million integers

2018-08-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
Each integer is represented as a vector of its prime factors, in a high-dimensionality representation such that: [1 0 1 0 0 0 0 ...] means that the number has factors 2 and 5 (first and third primes). Then they apply a dimensionality reduction algorithm to transform these vectors into 2D vectors

Re: My final word on the MWI --

2018-07-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 29 July 2018 at 17:33, wrote: > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 1:54:06 PM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 29 July 2018 at 15:46, smitra wrote: >> > My final word would be the following. There only exists an eternal >> > multiverse comprising of all possible observations. > > > This is a

Re: My final word on the MWI --

2018-07-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 29 July 2018 at 15:46, smitra wrote: > My final word would be the following. There only exists an eternal > multiverse comprising of all possible observations. Here "observation" is a > complete description that includes everything that is experienced which > includes the identity of the

Re: My final word on the MWI --

2018-07-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 27 July 2018 at 11:44, wrote: > > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:50:36 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 27 July 2018 at 09:26, wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, a écrit : >>

Re: My final word on the MWI --

2018-07-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 27 July 2018 at 09:26, wrote: > > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, a écrit : >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, wrote:

Re: Primary matter

2018-07-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, Another long delay... > I am not sure I commented your first paragraph, which might be a key for > trying to define what could be an explanation. What would be like a > satisfying explanation of consciousness, meaning, reality, etc. > > > >> On 20 Jun 2018,

Re: Jason's Challenge (was: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?)

2018-06-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 28 June 2018 at 09:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Here is one for you (and that list): >> >> Tomorrow you and another prisoner are to be executed. But you will both be >> spared if you can succeed in the following game. You and the other prisoner >> have t

Jason's Challenge (was: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?)

2018-06-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
> Here is one for you (and that list): > > Tomorrow you and another prisoner are to be executed. But you will both be > spared if you can succeed in the following game. You and the other prisoner > have tonight to decide on a strategy for playing this game: Tomorrow you and > your fellow prisoner

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 27 June 2018 at 03:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/26/2018 2:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 25 June 2018 at 19:54, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/25/2018 8:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> I don't think that's

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 25 June 2018 at 19:54, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/25/2018 8:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I don't think that's the case. C seems to me to be capable to explaining > anything (e.g. we're living in the Matrix). The theories of M are certainly > incomplete, but if th

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 21 June 2018 at 22:52, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/21/2018 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 21 June 2018 at 00:53, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/20/2018 4:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Brun

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 22 June 2018 at 13:31, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Jun 2018, at 13:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hi Bruno, >> >>>> I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves >>>> me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbali

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 21 June 2018 at 00:53, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/20/2018 4:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hi Bruno, >> >>>> I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves >>>> me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbalize this d

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, >> I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves >> me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbalize this dissatisfaction I feel >> stuck in a loop. Perhaps this illustrates your point. > > > We might need to do some detour about what it would mean to explain >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 18 June 2018 at 04:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> >>&

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 18 June 2018 at 05:04, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 11:43:33 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? >>> I see both as absurd. so I prefer to assume the wf

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 16 June 2018 at 11:02, wrote: > > > On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 7:43:14 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 15 June 2018 at 23:57, wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:45:43 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On 15 June 2018 at 13:27, wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >>

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 15 June 2018 at 23:57, wrote: > > > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:45:43 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 15 June 2018 at 13:27, wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:33:53 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On 15 June 2018 at 02:55, wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >>

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 15 June 2018 at 13:27, wrote: > > > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:33:53 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On 15 June 2018 at 02:55, wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:15:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 15 June 2018 at 02:55, wrote: > > > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:15:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:30:27 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> Physical Theories, Eternal Inflation, and Quantum Universe, Yasunori >>> Nomura >>> >>> We conclude

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, Sorry for the delay, had a friend visiting. > Ah! Let me try to answer.Keep in mind that I assume elementary arithmetic and > thus computations, etc. > (I am not sure I need YD here, but it can help). > > >> >> - Why does consciousness even exist? > > Consciousness is somehow the

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 6 June 2018 at 17:08, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> Science answers plenty of certain types of "why" >> questions: > > > It would be more accurate

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
>> Yes, but why are the "lights on" inside me? Why are we not mechanisms, >> that do exactly what you describe, but without a first-person >> experience of it? > > > Ah, there's your problem. Science doesn't answer "why" questions. That's > what I mean by people having an exaggerated idea of what

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 4 June 2018 at 20:30, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/4/2018 3:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Most scientists and scientifically-literate people I know assume that >> consciousness emerges from brain activity without ever really thinking >> about the ramific

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 4 June 2018 at 17:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 20:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 2 June 2018 at 17:10, John Clark wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Telmo Menezes >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>&

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 4 June 2018 at 23:48, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/4/2018 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I am very grateful for mother medicine, but > we should not pretend that its operative assumptions solve the > fundamental questions. > > What fundamental question do y

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 3 June 2018 at 23:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/3/2018 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 1 June 2018 at 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/1/2018 7:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Phy

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 3 June 2018 at 21:56, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/3/2018 3:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 1 June 2018 at 19:41, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/1/2018 12:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> On 31 May 20

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 2 June 2018 at 17:10, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >>> >> I'd like to see Bruno actually quote some well known philosophers or >>> >> scientist using the term. >> >> >> >> > M

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 3 June 2018 at 13:10, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On 1 June 2018 at 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> On 6/1/2018 7:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> Physical theories of the brain, based on extensive empirical research, >>>> have

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 1 June 2018 at 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/1/2018 7:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> Physical theories of the brain, based on extensive empirical research, >>> have >>> linked the mind and consciousness to physical brain activity

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 1 June 2018 at 19:41, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/1/2018 12:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 31 May 2018 at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 5/31/2018 2:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>&

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
> Physical theories of the brain, based on extensive empirical research, have > linked the mind and consciousness to physical brain activity in irrefutable > ways. The above statement is pseudoscience. Given that there is no scientific instrument that can detect consciousness, no empirical

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 31 May 2018 at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/31/2018 2:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> You're a bit naughty Brent. You sometimes use this maneuver of >> nonchalantly listing something that is being discussed -- but that you >>

Re: Primary matter

2018-05-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 31 May 2018 at 03:38, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/30/2018 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 30 mai 2018 à 20:29, Brent Meeker a écrit : >> >> >> >> On 5/30/2018 3:18 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> 2018-05-30 11:27 GMT+02:00 Lawrence Crowell >> : >>> >>> On Tuesday,

Gödel and the unreality of time

2018-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
https://edwardfeser.blogspot.fr/2018/05/godel-and-unreality-of-time.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: What is a Löbian machine/number/combinator

2018-04-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 23 April 2018 at 16:14, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >> > The above is about how Bruno keeps answering your questions, and then >> > you either pretend that h

Re: What is a Löbian machine/number/combinator

2018-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 22 April 2018 at 19:06, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 3:21 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >> Maybe I've got my Latin wrong, please explain to me again what "ad >>> >&g

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Mind Uploading

2018-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
[Sorry for the formatting. I don't know what to do, gmail is becoming unusable] On 22 April 2018 at 15:55, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > Hi Telmo, > > > On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:59, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > >

Re: Mind Uploading

2018-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 21 April 2018 at 22:38, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 4/21/2018 3:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 19 April 2018 at 21:47, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 4/18/2018 11:50 PM, Tel

Re: What is a Löbian machine/number/combinator

2018-04-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 22 April 2018 at 01:47, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> As Russell said, an approximation of the Löbian machine can probably be >> derived fr

Re: What is a Löbian machine/number/combinator

2018-04-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
[I messed up and sent the unfinished email. Here's the rest...] On 21 April 2018 at 23:10, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > On 21 April 2018 at 16:44, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@te

Re: What is a Löbian machine/number/combinator

2018-04-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 21 April 2018 at 16:44, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> And Turing explained exactly precisely how to make one of his machines in

Re: Mind Uploading

2018-04-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 19 April 2018 at 21:47, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 4/18/2018 11:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 19 April 2018 at 06:22, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 4/18/2018 8:51 PM, Tel

Re: Mind Uploading

2018-04-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, >> Ok, but it is good to keep in mind that pagan gods were very different >> cultural constructs than the christian god. > > Yes, but with neoplatonism, the “pagan god” is the ONE, and it will influence > a lot Judaism, Christianity and Islam, not always with the "Second God" >

Re: What is a Löbian machine/number/combinator

2018-04-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 20 April 2018 at 19:04, John Clark wrote: > I never got past the first line of Bruno’s post because he said: > > "Consider any Turing universal machinery, for example the programming > language c++” > > C++ is Turing complete but is not a Turing machine because machines

Re: Mind Uploading

2018-04-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 19 April 2018 at 06:22, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 4/18/2018 8:51 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 18 April 2018 at 23:57, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >&g

Re: Mind Uploading

2018-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 18 April 2018 at 23:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > >> > theology. It just means “theory of everything’” for the greeks, > > > No it doesn't. First, "theory" has a different origin from "theos"=god. > Second, for the Greeks "theology" meant discourse concerning the gods.

Re: Applied General Intelligence

2018-04-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 8 March 2018 at 21:22, Brent Meeker wrote: > Google has tensorflow available online. I don't recommend anyone trying to use it directly. It's very nice but it comes with a lot o Google-isms that are very hard to figure out. I recommend Keras: https://keras.io/ It

Re: How to live forever

2018-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
> If that is true, the dissociative state can genuinely be identified with the > death state, and, as far as we get there (with salvia for example), the > experience cannot be memorised at all. In fact, it entails that we truly die, > and the one who come back is truly “someone else”, and this

Re: How to live forever

2018-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 4 April 2018 at 10:21, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 08:25:59AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Hi Russell, >> >> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish >> <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: >> >

Re: How to live forever

2018-04-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> On 3 Apr 2018, at 08:25, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Russell, >> >> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish >> <li...@hpcoders

Re: How to live forever

2018-04-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Russell, On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Now, is a jellyfish conscious? >> >> I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant >> arithmetical

Re: How to live forever

2018-04-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 2:32:06 PM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> > You would have to replicate then

Re: How to live forever

2018-04-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
thing-List" are like that. Maybe we're > equivalent? I don't know if my curiosity is as strong as yours, I think it's impossible to know. I think you are being reductive about yourself, no matter how amazing curiosity is. Telmo. > On 31 March 2018 at 20:32, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmo

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-31 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > You would have to replicate then not only the dynamics of neurons, but every > biomolecule in the neurons, and don't forget about the oligoastrocytes and > other glial cells. Many enzymes for instance to

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:03 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> >> > If the theory is that if the observable behaviour of the brain is >> > replicated, then consciousness will also be replicated,

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 at 7:57 pm, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Bruce Kellett >> <bhkell...@optusnet.c

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Bruce Kellett > <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> From: Stathis Papaioannou <s

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Stathis Papaioannou > > > It is possible that consciousness is fully preserved until a threshold is > reached then suddenly disappears. So if half the subject’s brain is > replaced, he

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:38 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >>> >>> >> You walk into a bakery and see a cake and you assume the baker made >&

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:18 PM, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Sun, Mar 18,

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:18 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >> Evolution produced me. I know with 100% certainty that I am >>> >> co

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
> NONSENSE! Evolution produced me. I know with 100% certainty that I am > conscious. I very strongly suspect billions of other things are conscious > too. I know for a fact Evolution can detect intelligent behavior but it > can’t detect consciousness and yet I am consciousness. Therefor >

Re: What is Science?

2018-03-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> On 7 Mar 2018, at 18:59, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> >> What it says in the tin... not a trick question. > > The tin? It's an expression: what I mean is

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> On 7 Mar 2018, at 15:24, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> &

What is Science?

2018-03-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
What it says in the tin... not a trick question. Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It's certainly logically > possible that there not be such a disease as leukemi

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 3/3/2018 11:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM,

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> >> On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> So what do you find more convincing

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-03-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God exists, > e.g. St Anslem's or Goedel's. or The mere empirical absence of evide

Re: Disclosure Project

2018-02-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:57 PM, wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, wrote: >> >> I don't KNOW for sure there isn't a teapot in orbit around Uranus

Re: Disclosure Project

2018-02-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video. >> >> So we have: >> >> * Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims

Re: Disclosure Project

2018-02-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video. So we have: * Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims that he was playing bridge at the house of a superior, and that he showed up with some alien material. It had strange hieroglyphs and "you squeezed it up in your

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-02-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 2/27/2018 2:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on > proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical.

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

2018-02-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
> Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on > proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical. And mathematical > proof is only relative to the axioms. I think that this is one of those cases where the term is overloaded. I would argue that, for most people,

Re: Absolute relativism

2018-02-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
I find it interesting that you resort to an image. I suspect that what you are trying to communicate cannot be fully communicated with language. That is perhaps what art is for? Cheers Telmo. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Francesco D'Isa wrote: > Hello Telmo, thank

Re: Goedel incompleteness

2018-02-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> On 21 Feb 2018, at 09:58, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Bruno, >> >>> For example, prolog is a tiny subset of first order logic, and is Turing

Re: Absolute relativism

2018-02-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hello Francesco, Welcome to the group! I like your essay and essentially agree with what you say. My only problem is with your treatment of the principle of non-contradition. I feel that your reasoning there becomes circular: all truths are relative, so the principle of non-contradition is also

Re: Goedel incompleteness

2018-02-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, > For example, prolog is a tiny subset of first order logic, and is Turing > universal. I thought Prolog was more or less equivalent to first order logic. What's missing? Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.

Re: What falsifiability tests has computationalism passed?

2018-02-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
Also, >> The strong AI thesis is that such machine would be conscious > > > Where is the world did you get that idea? The term "strong AI thesis" was > invented by working scientists AFAIK, the term "Strong AI" was introduced by John Searle, a Professor of Philosophy. I am not sure what

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 11:24 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:21 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> the argument ignores the possibility that civilizations >> might be able to th

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > Hard emergence is either something really miraculous and thus not really in > the domain of physics, or it is something we might call a miracle because we > really do not understand it. For me, emergence

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:25 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >> > >> To summarize the argument: >> >> 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound t

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> > It is interesting in some ways.

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > It is interesting in some ways. However, it involves speculations on things > we have no knowledge of. > > The idea involves these filters. The one "behind us" involves the barrier to > intelligent life

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
To summarize the argument: 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic civilization; 2. We do not observe a galactic civilization; 3. If other instances of life are found, this means that life is not so rare; 4. So it is likely that there is a major obstacle that

Re: Positive AI

2018-01-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
of AI? > What would you creative if you just wanted to have fun with AI? > > K E N O > > > Am 12.01.2018 um 14:43 schrieb Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>: > > Hi Lara, > > My view is that, as with all scientific theories and technologies, AI > is moral

Re: Positive AI

2018-01-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Lara, My view is that, as with all scientific theories and technologies, AI is morally neutral. it has the potential for both extremely good and extremely nasty practical applications. That being said, the unusual thing about AI is that it has the potential to generate *something that replaces

Re: Fermi Paradox defined and solved (in 15 minutes)

2018-01-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:02 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/3/2018 7:49 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 1/3/2018 6:00 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January

Re: Fermi Paradox defined and solved (in 15 minutes)

2018-01-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
https://xkcd.com/1235/ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:21:40 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 6:36:56 PM UTC-7, Zachary Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017

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